Roland M 480 Reviews?

Actually, this is an aspect that seems to have two sides and is something about which I have had some college instructors express some misgivings.

It is great to be able to offer the opportunity for students to learn 'state of the art' technology, however that is not necessarily what they will encounter if they move on, either in college or professionally. The feedback I've received is that too often students know how, or think they know how, to operate digital consoles but do not have a solid understanding of the basics such that they cannot work effectively with anything else. Right now many mixing opportunities are still going to involve analog mixers, so while it is advantageous to be familiar with both analog and digital mixers, I think it is often much easier to take someone who has only worked with analog and move them to digital then it is to go in the other direction.

A recent example of this was someone looking to purchase a digital console because it came with a library of channel processing presets which they felt could then allow their operators to apply processing without having to actually learn or understand anything about it. That may be an immediate advantage to them but it also means that the operators will not be learning the underlying basics and thus will not be able to work with any mixer that does not have that same capability.

A very specific example is that I learned to make Reverberation Time measurements using a noise source and a strip chart recorder, which gave a graphic depiction of the decay of the noise source from which one manually calculated the RT60. Because of this, to me reverberation has always related to a decay curve and not just a single number, a critical aspect to understanding room acoustics yet one that escapes many for whom RT has always been a single value that some of the newer measurement tools provides even without their understanding how that number is derived or what it represents.

So while the new technology is great and simplifies things, it can also eliminate some of the education and understanding that may have been associated with older technology. The challenge seems to be to take advantage of what new technology offers without letting it replace learning the underlying fundamentals.

I agree with what you're saying. But a bigger problem is the fact that while all analog consoles are very much the same since Bill Putnam came up with his basic layout in the early 50's, every company's digital console has a different operating system & layout to every other company's, which makes freelancing a nightmare. I could rattle off at least 15 consoles whose operation I'm supposed to be intimately familiar with. I'm sick of having to learn a completely new operating system with every new digital desk.

Also the ergonomic usability (the ease with which one can access the various operations of the console) is slower on any digital desk than any analog desk. With analog desks, all functions are available all the time & can be performed usually in under a second, a huge advantage in live mixing. This is not the case with any digital desk. While the comparative sound quality is becoming less of an issue, there is no way any digital desk sounds as good as, say, a Midas XL4 or Heritage 3000. And anyone who thinks onboard dynamics sound as good as good hardware units is dreaming. They don't.

All these factors considered, I don't believe digital boards as currently configured are a step forward. More convenient in some situations, sure. I didn't get into live sound for the convenience. I got into it because I wanted to make live music sound better, & at this stage I believe that that's more achievable, more reliably & efficiently with an analog console.
 
I own the M-480, and have used the yamaha consoles many times.

They're both quite nice. Never heard any audio issues with either anytime, they both work fine when the dsp is run hard (all channels busy) or not. I must say that if anyone was to release a console that had issues AT ALL when it was run hard, they would be in trouble. I've never had an issue with the M-400 console I had owned for the last 2 years, or my new M-480 console, or any of the ones I've sold to my clients - ever!

The biggest differences between the Roland M-480, and the Yamaha LS-9 are:

* Without using any sort of effects insert: the LS-9 has the ability to do 2 comps per channel (or 2 gates, or de-esser, or whatever) and the M-480 can only do 1 comp and 1 gate per channel. The M-480 does not seem to have a de-esser yet.

* The street cost of the M-480 with it's built in digital snake, is about $3000 - $3500 less than the LS-9 with it's digital snake option. (for an apples to apples comparison). Of course the LS-9 is much less the the M-480 because of it's built in analog front end.

* The M-480 has the M-48 personal mixers perfectly integrated into it, it even has the ability to use one as an "engineers monitor" to be able to remotely help someone in the band get settings dialed in by the engineer. You can save and recall all the settings of each m-48 independantly, and recall them to any other unit, or recall to a different location if the way things were plugged in are different. Each M-48 can be assigned any of 40 possible channels to any of it's 16 stereo channels independently of any other unit, so you don't have to force everyone to use the same channels in the same order. I think it's totally safe to say that the M-48's blow the aviom stuff out of the water, both sonically, functionally, and in terms of $ (when used with in-ear wireless systems)

Both systems can handle high channel counts, LS9-32 (64 channels max) and the M-480 (60 channels max) out of a possible 80 addressable.

No touch screens on both, the menus are not as deep, and there are more buttons/knobs on the M-480 than the LS-9.

I know the M-480 can record 2-track to a usb stick, so does the LS-9 I believe.

The M-480 can also record 40 channels to hard disk (24bit, 48K) - works great! I've used that many times, and it sounds wonderful. It's about $800-ish for the kit with the software. I think the LS-9 can do something like that too somehow, right? Looks like the LS-9 can only do about 16-18 channels multitrack using one of the card slots... Maybe they have something else I don't know about?

I know the M-480 can do 16 aux busses and LCR mains (19 busses total) plus 8 matrix busses (fully configurable) I think the LS-9 has about the same thing, but you have to get something else to get more outputs than the 16 that are built in.

The M-480 has DCA's (like most other consoles). The LS-9 has something kinda like it, using groups of faders that are linked together.. not quite the same thing... but it works.

Yeah there's always talk of Analog consoles vs Digital, Yeah - there are some old analog consoles that sound great. Fact is that we're talking about the differences/similarities between the two consoles here, ok? Most of the folks interested in this are looking for the total recall thing due to changing setups/multiple bands/multiple engineers/whatever...

I just wanted to give another OPINION on this, that's all. :)

Hello, do you know if M-400 configuration can be migrated to an M-480?
My previous church as an M-400. There is some malfunction and are considering getting an M-480 as a replacement. But would like to know if they have to re-configure everything manually or the configuration can be copied from one console to the other.

Thank you
 
Not sure if it can, never tried.
Just a word: Roland is no longer producing soundconsoles, and for what I have heard they might not even re-stock spareparts for any of the models including the M5000 (their last console made)
 
Not sure if it can, never tried.
Just a word: Roland is no longer producing soundconsoles, and for what I have heard they might not even re-stock spareparts for any of the models including the M5000 (their last console made)
Ok, thank you for the information.

Do you know if the Roland Digital snakes 1608 can be used with any other digital console?
 

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