Another name that light thread...

[Aman121]

Browsing craigslist, found this little guy. Just wondering vintage, who made it.

ANTIQUE STAGE LIGHT 1000 WATTS

 

[ship]

Similar to a 8" Hub I have, but too many holes. Certainly from the 50's or earlier, interesting I think 3/8" dia. hole on the yoke for a clamp. More photos would be needed and could easily be some brand of attempt at say 1939 era second generation Leko copy especially given the lamp angle of the lamp cap. That yoke knob seems like LECO and a few other brands in a little smaller in size than Colortran, Altman or Century for size. Should be a maker stamp on it's yoke knob casting. There was a lot of lighting companies out there in this period that could have made this light and only fixture parts in detail for stampings can perhaps define that further, unless someone else has a similar one that is known of for brand.

Iris on it is a note but less important than dual fiber washers on the shutters for noting in a not always done thing. Perhaps a Century 8" Leko from the late 30's thru late 50's as a guess, but many other options. Nope, don't have one yet, but if anyone wants to send it to me, I can certaily service call it and or present it as per history next to other similar gear. That and further research it once into collection.

Note- didn't check any Kliegl or other catalogues on this initial assessment that others might help with.

 

[Les]

I recognize that series of light fixture. I used to have one that was basically an early sheetmetal 360-equivalent. I then bought four more as a group and while mostly the same, the vent holes were different (so it's very possible that this could still be HUB as they did seem to change the hole patterns).

Let me do some research and see if I can pull up any pictures.

Yep, here's the one I had. This was the original I bought (actual picture). It had those funny theatre mask knobs. The other four had regular metal tee-handles (but not the Altman diamond type).

Single 6" plano convex lens, approx 6x12 beam, standard EGG/EGE lamp in medium prefocus socket. Shutters were same as 360Q (including fiber washers). Altman 360Q 6x12 lens tube could be used as a direct replacement and actually made a nicer beam.

Is yours a 6" or 8"? I can't tell by the angle, but it looks larger than my (now defunct) stage light.

 

[JChenault]

I recognize that series of light fixture. I used to have one that was basically an early sheetmetal 360-equivalent. I then bought four more as a group and while mostly the same, the vent holes were different (so it's very possible that this could still be HUB as they did seem to change the hole patterns).

Let me do some research and see if I can pull up any pictures.

Yep, here's the one I had. This was the original I bought (actual picture). It had those funny theatre mask knobs. The other four had regular metal tee-handles (but not the Altman diamond type).

Single 6" plano convex lens, approx 6x12 beam, standard EGG/EGE lamp in medium prefocus socket. Shutters were same as 360Q (including fiber washers). Altman 360Q 6x12 lens tube could be used as a direct replacement and actually made a nicer beam.

Is yours a 6" or 8"? I can't tell by the angle, but it looks larger than my (now defunct) stage light.

The interesting thing to my eye is that the lamp is a mogul bi-post. I think Kliegl used mogul bi-post, but I'm not certain

 

[derekleffew]

The interesting thing to my eye is that the lamp is a mogul bi-post. I think Kliegl used mogul bi-post, but I'm not certain

Every manufacturer used mogul bipost for 1M and larger lamps, as that was the only BBU base available in the higher wattages.

It's not a Century or Kliegl Bros., so that leaves Capitol, Hub, Major, and the other minor manufacturers of the 1950s. (I'm not sure Little or LECO were in business yet.) I suspect it's an 8x9 (maybe 8x12) step lens. Seeing the top of the lamp cap might tell us something.
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[Aman121]

I recognize that series of light fixture. I used to have one that was basically an early sheetmetal 360-equivalent. I then bought four more as a group and while mostly the same, the vent holes were different (so it's very possible that this could still be HUB as they did seem to change the hole patterns).

Let me do some research and see if I can pull up any pictures.

Yep, here's the one I had. This was the original I bought (actual picture). It had those funny theatre mask knobs. The other four had regular metal tee-handles (but not the Altman diamond type).

Single 6" plano convex lens, approx 6x12 beam, standard EGG/EGE lamp in medium prefocus socket. Shutters were same as 360Q (including fiber washers). Altman 360Q 6x12 lens tube could be used as a direct replacement and actually made a nicer beam.

Is yours a 6" or 8"? I can't tell by the angle, but it looks larger than my (now defunct) stage light.

Unfourtunatly, I don't actually have it yet. I did call and email
the guy a few times (it's been relisted twice), but he never returned my calls or email. So for the moment were stuck with the pics that we have. To me it looks like a 6inch, but the body (terms ouch!) looks fatter than yours, if that makes any sense.

 

[ship]

Origional photo of the lamp cap looks to be a two part clamping method that's seemingly a G-38 Mogul Bi-Pin lamp socket cap that has a range probably for your fixture in size only for 1Kw but G-38 in clamping style range, but adds to it's elder range, but limited in wattage. I have some from 1948 I think similar in base that are rated up to 2Kw but they have much larger cannon proportions to the fixture.

Susect your fixture has a Mogul bi-pin lamp socket but is only rated for 1Kw. Mostly a question of what lamp comes out of the fixture. Bi-pin or something else? I think G-38 mogul Bi-pin and not G-22 medium bi-pin in lamp type. Not Kliegl or Century also in having both in 8" size somewhat similar. Still the overall date of c.1948 holds in style of fixture if of help initially.

Clip off that asbestos crap and look further into the details for part numbers about the fixture, plus look on the yoke and fixture for brand stencils or part numbers.

Overall if the assumption is correct, I know I have seen this hole pattern before - in if one is duplicating and not engineering.... let's just add more holes to vent. Not a Hub I think, researched the heck out of mine similar. And not Major in I don't think they were active in fixture design in this period but stand to be corrected. Both brand possible, but I don't think so.

Iris mounted fixture - rare as with given the also period double fiber washer shutters.

Lamp cap similar to LECO in style as generic but also if on further view, how does it mount? See a key way, but how does it secure to the pineapple? Is there a strap clip as per LECO was using or how otherwise did it mount in not seeing a sub-yoke to retain the lamp cap.

Perhaps Times Square? Looked at Photometrics Handbook tonight and perhaps something similar listed in at least hole pattern.

 

[Les]

but the body (terms ouch!) looks fatter than yours, if that makes any sense.

That's what I thought too. Also, the lens tube looks longer on mine (so maybe it's a trick of perspective and the one you're looking at is actually a 6x9 equivalent).
It looks like 'your' unit has an iris. If you can get it for cheap and the iris is still good, that could be of some use if you decide to part it out!

And talking about terms, one time I was sitting in a crowded area talking to my lighting friend on the phone about 360Q's and I said "I have some bodies in storage..."

Imagine the looks I got.

 

[derekleffew]

Origional photo of the lamp cap looks to be a two part clamping method that's seemingly a G-38 Mogul Bi-Pin lamp socket cap that has a range probably for your fixture in size only for 1Kw but G-38 in clamping style range, but adds to it's elder range, but limited in wattage. I have some from 1948 I think similar in base that are rated up to 2Kw but they have much larger cannon proportions to the fixture.

Susect your fixture has a Mogul bi-pin lamp socket but is only rated for 1Kw. Mostly a question of what lamp comes out of the fixture. Bi-pin or something else? I think G-38 mogul Bi-pin and not G-22 medium bi-pin in lamp type. Not Kliegl or Century also in having both in 8" size somewhat similar. Still the overall date of c.1948 holds in style of fixture if of help initially. ...

Bi-post, not bi-pin. Pins is smaller than posts. A bipin would be the TP22/G9.5 base/socket. G38 is a mogul bipost socket. G22 is a medium bipost socket.
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[Les]

So, doing a few more comparisons here.

The mystery Craigslist light:

Could the mystery light be an earlier vintage of this Kliegl on eBay? Perhaps, before the bi-pin lamp was introduced (or widely used)?

Similarities:
Body shape (particularly, the lens tube transition)
Framing shutters
Position of yoke

Differences:
Colorframe holder
TP-22 socket vs bi-post(?)
Vent holes

Here is another fixture I found. Looks like it's from the same series as the 'mystery' light (the lamp cap is the same - notice the unfinished cast aluminum and bale-securing mechanism):

And for clarification's sake, here is an alternate view of the lights that I had:

My vote: they are all Kliegls; just of different eras.

Edit: Wha-da-ya know. Google Image Searched "kliegl" and found this brochure. Tracked it back to this site and found that it was originally posted by derekleffew. I don't think that is the OP's light, but it looks like my light, which I feel is similar to the OP's light. If that made any sense at all...

 

[derekleffew]

...Could the mystery light be an earlier vintage of this Kliegl on eBay? Perhaps, before the bi-pin lamp was introduced (or widely used)? ...

I don't think so.

1. Both Kliegl Bros. and Century Lighting were very good about putting their name on their fixtures. Century always embossed or cast somewhere into the metalwork, Kliegl sometimes only used paint. Perhaps; the leaders wanted their name known, the second-tier knew no one would know their name anyway, so why bother?
2. The lamp cap in the "Craigslist mystery light" is about 5" in diameter. Remember the lamp is a T-24 (3"), as opposed to the T12 or T14 of smaller wattages/fixtures.
3. The mystery light qualifies as a cannon type ERS. The reflector cavity had to be that large to keep the 1000W-3000W lamp from over-heating.
4. The semi-circular lamp cap retaining bail is unique; I've never seen that before.

The Kliegl 1355 (which I suspect you pictured just to add confusion to the bipin vs bipost issue) is the only ERS that ever used the TP22 socket in a radial orientation. Not a very bright decision, as any intensity advantages of the tungsten-halogen EHG-family lamp were negated by the large hole in the reflector, still sized for a T-14 lamp.

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...Here is another fixture I found. Looks like it's from the same series as the 'mystery' light (the lamp cap is the same - notice the unfinished cast aluminum and securing mechanism):

Now that's a particularly odd unit. Do you know the make/model? Must be an 8" short throw, as there's no step-down at the lens barrel. Still of the smaller, non-cannon genre, however.
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[Les]

The Kliegl 1355 (which I suspect you pictured just to add confusion to the bipin vs bipost issue) is the only ERS that ever used the TP22 socket in a radial orientation. Not a very bright decision, as any intensity advantages of the tungsten-halogen EHG-family lamp were negated by the large hole in the reflector, still sized for a T-14 lamp.

Ah, I meant bi-pin referring to the "newer" Kliegls which used, supposedly, an FEL lamp, but radially mounted.

Now that's a particularly odd unit. Do you know the make/model? Must be an 8" short throw, as there's no step-down at the lens barrel. Still of the smaller, non-cannon genre, however.
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I'm not sure what make/model this one is. It is also on eBay, and of course this is the only picture and the seller knows nothing of these lights. I do think it's a Kliegl due to its similarity to the 1365 pictured above (which was pretty close to the ones I had at one time -- and which are now, quite possibly, Coke cans. The paint color matches, the little round holes are the same, and that lamp cap is identical. Something tells me that was only one company's venture.

The cannon ERS pictured on green fabric is for sure a Kliegl (other pictures show that the lamp cap has a stamped K logo on top), and it looks a lot like a newer version of the Craigslist fixture. The position of the yoke kind of gives it away for me.

Looking closely, the picture in the OP also shows a bale-retained lamp cap.

 

[venuetech]

I recognize that series of light fixture. I used to have one that was basically an early sheetmetal 360-equivalent. I then bought four more as a group and while mostly the same, the vent holes were different (so it's very possible that this could still be HUB as they did seem to change the hole patterns).

Let me do some research and see if I can pull up any pictures.

Yep, here's the one I had. This was the original I bought (actual picture). It had those funny theatre mask knobs. The other four had regular metal tee-handles (but not the Altman diamond type).

Single 6" plano convex lens, approx 6x12 beam, standard EGG/EGE lamp in medium prefocus socket. Shutters were same as 360Q (including fiber washers). Altman 360Q 6x12 lens tube could be used as a direct replacement and actually made a nicer beam.

Is yours a 6" or 8"? I can't tell by the angle, but it looks larger than my (now defunct) stage light.

Those mask knobs are from stagecraft industries of Seattle & Portland. I dont think they made the fixture but they very likely sold it.
my old high school auditorium finished in 1964 had fixtures that had those knobs.

 

[derekleffew]

Ah, I meant bi-pin referring to the "newer" Kliegls which used, supposedly, an FEL lamp, but radially mounted. ...

I'm pretty sure you're not talking about the 1550-series, which Kliegl imported from CCT/Aimslite (http://www.klieglbros.com/catalogs/SpecSheets/1550/1550p1c280.jpg), although some versions, at least of the CCT, did use, I think, an FEL mounted base down to supposedly keep the heat away from the socket.

...The cannon ERS pictured on green fabric is for sure a Kliegl (other pictures show that the lamp cap has a stamped K logo on top), and it looks a lot like a newer version of the Craigslist fixture. The position of the yoke kind of gives it away for me.

Only the Craigslist light in post #10 is a cannon Leko. The one laying on the green fabric (not the one with clamp hanging upside down, the 1365) IS a 1355 (http://www.klieglbros.com/catalogs/SpecSheets/1355/1355c76a.jpg). It was never rated to use the FEL 1000W.

...Looking closely, the picture in the OP also shows a bale-retained lamp cap.

A Christian Bale-retained lamp? Or a heathen bail?
Bale the hey with the pail's bail. Juck 'em if they can't take a foke.
I thought the above seemed familiar: http://www.controlbooth.com/forums/...needed-phone-hook-urgently-so.html#post260592

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Unfourtunatly, I don't actually have it yet. I did call and email the guy a few times (it's been relisted twice), but he never returned my calls or email. ...

Don't pay more than $40-50 for it. The seller probably thinks it's worth more. Then figure $25-30 each way shipping to ship and back, and it's still a reasonable $100 investment, as a museam piece.
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