Lighting Protocol Issue - I'm stuck! Please Help!

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Hello all. I really could use your help and expertise on this one. I run a small entertainment company, and three of our productions are in residence at a small theater. Because we have such a presence at this particular theater, I provide tech support for the theater owner when I can. He recently ordered these wall washers from China, and we are having a hell of a time figuring them out. I've included pictures below, in case any of you might be able to shed a little light on this (pun intended). He has spoken to the company for support, but the language barrier combined with our frustration with poor customer service has kept us from coming up with a solution. He ordered these with the understanding that they were DMX based LEDs. We have discovered that perhaps they operate on some other protocol. I could be wrong. Anyway, the connectors are some sort of 4 pin format. The company told us that the four wires are D+, D-, Ground, and Internal Control Port, or something to that effect. I have worked a little bit with SPI, and have installed controllers/drivers etc. but in those cases, I knew what I was dealing with in terms of protocol. This one has us stumped. When we connect D+, D- and Ground to a DMX controller, the behavior is strange, and it doesn't automatically address to channel 1 the way we would expect. I'm thinking we need some sort of driver or decoder to make this work, but we can't get the company to specify what we need, or what kind of protocol we're working with here. We need to be able to connect these to a standard DMX controller or board. We're looking for a way to individually address a group of 16 of these instruments. The four wire thing would make sense if it were SPI, but the descriptions they gave us don't seem to match the SPI set ups I'm familiar with. Forgive me if I don't have the lingo quite right, but I think you lighting experts will get the jist of what I'm saying. Here are the photos. What are we dealing with here? Does anyone know?
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Pretty sure you need an external power supply and driver. The connectors like like the ones used on an LED tape wall in a show I'm currently working on. Will look later today.
 
I don't even see a way to address the fixture, is there an LCD panel or DIP switches somewhere? Looks like you will need an external driver to control the unit as it looks from the pictures.
Thanks a bunch for the reply. In answer to your question, No dipswitches. No way to address the instrument. I agree with you that we need a driver of some sort. Our problem is knowing what driver to buy, since we have no idea what protocol we're dealing with. Frustrating to say the least, and the company from whom these were purchased has been little to no help on this.
 
According to this site : http://www.bmsledlights.com/led-wall-washer-0017/ you will need an external controller found here: http://www.bmsledlights.com/led-controller-0018/
Thanks for the suggestion. Our web searches took us to the same site. Which interestingly enough, is not the company we bought these from. These instruments do share the same model number though. And yes, that LED controller could work. The problem is it's a manual controller. You have to physically push buttons to operate the instruments. Our desired outcome is to have these be a part of the preexisting DMX chain in a theater, so that they can be operated from the board in the booth, be programmed into cues with all of our other instruments, etc. It's clear to me that these wall washers were not intended for theatrical use, which is most of the problem. I would have advised that our theater owner not buy these, but I wasn't consulted before he ordered them, so now we're trying our best to salvage the purchase, so to speak. In the past, I have circumvented this issue with non theatrical LED ribbon or LED tape with the use of drivers, decoders, etc. allowing us to tie them into the DMX chain in our theater. I should have been more clear in my initial posting. To sum up the issue, we need to find a driver/decoder that will allow is to connect this to the DMX chain, but since we aren't clear on the protocol, we have no idea which one to buy. Kind of a dilemma, I know. Thank you all for your suggestions so far. I appreciate any help we can get.
 
http://ledwalker.com/en/Product_show.php?id=22&fid=11

Surprisingly You have something similar to what I was giving, eventhough I asked for proper fixtures. You will need a driver decoder setup.

Power

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/HLG-320H-24/?qs=DNaZHaGatO3RUD3RkllNGQ==&gclid=Cj0KEQjwqNiwBRDnq93MioaqtKQBEiQAb7Ezn3UPPTJjYKLFg5lWeH0T1-LSGHCIlqPx_7KJ1mnVkakaAr7o8P8HAQ&kpid=588406361

Controller
http://ledwalker.en.alibaba.com/pro...orts_dmx_led_controller_pc_usb_interface.html

Now you might be able to get away with finding the 4pin to DMX but I dont have a name on the cable that does that. These are all similar to the setup I have.

After Reading everything I run all of my stuff through a show control PC. The LED strips are ran into the computer which is control by Madrix (Mapping Software) which is Remoted by my lighting console. All trigger by the show control in reverse.
 
http://ledwalker.com/en/Product_show.php?id=22&fid=11

Surprisingly You have something similar to what I was giving, eventhough I asked for proper fixtures. You will need a driver decoder setup.

Power

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/HLG-320H-24/?qs=DNaZHaGatO3RUD3RkllNGQ==&gclid=Cj0KEQjwqNiwBRDnq93MioaqtKQBEiQAb7Ezn3UPPTJjYKLFg5lWeH0T1-LSGHCIlqPx_7KJ1mnVkakaAr7o8P8HAQ&kpid=588406361

Controller
http://ledwalker.en.alibaba.com/pro...orts_dmx_led_controller_pc_usb_interface.html

Now you might be able to get away with finding the 4pin to DMX but I dont have a name on the cable that does that. These are all similar to the setup I have.

After Reading everything I run all of my stuff through a show control PC. The LED strips are ran into the computer which is control by Madrix (Mapping Software) which is Remoted by my lighting console. All trigger by the show control in reverse.

Thanks for the info. This is starting to shed a little light on this. We already do run through show control software, and I think we've got the two pin power thing figured out. So, any advice on which specific driver needs to be used to properly decode the DMX signal? Or, are these 4-pin DMX cables? I feel like 4-pin DMX cables usually have the pins configured in an arch formation. These cables have the pins in a symmetrical diamond formation. Maybe these are 4 pin DMX?
 
The software drivers will have to come from the manufacture if there is one. If not you will have to make your own to control it with your show control program. Hopefully there might be some generic 24Ch RGB profiles.

Ive been looking on and off for the name of that 4pin led end to 3pin XLR and ahve yet to find anything. When I get in the booth tomorrow ill get a name and snap a pic for ya.

http://www.shop.electronicsalesandp...ker-DMX-T-Cable-LW-BT-15-3XLR-15-4F-15-2M.htm

Found it.
 
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The software drivers will have to come from the manufacture if there is one. If not you will have to make your own to control it with your show control program. Hopefully there might be some generic 24Ch RGB profiles.

Ive been looking on and off for the name of that 4pin led end to 3pin XLR and ahve yet to find anything. When I get in the booth tomorrow ill get a name and snap a pic for ya.

That'd be great. I really appreciate your help, Amiers. I didn't consider building our own. That may be a bit beyond my expertise, but the theater owner has worked as an electrician, so he might understand that process a bit more. The generic 24Ch RGB profiles, is that something I might find online? And thank you everyone for helping me get this issue whittled down a bit.
 
Here is another bit of information that may be helpful in diagnosing the problem. When we connect D+, D-, and Ground directly to a DMX controller or board, and leave the 4th wire (Internal Control Port) disconnected, the instrument behaves consistently, but defaults to DMX channels 4,5, and 6 for R, G, and B respectively. DMX Channels 1, 2 and 3 appear to do nothing. Does this shed any light on the issue, or how we might proceed?
 
Does CH 4 control all Red leds or just one LED at a time.
 
That sounds like a good start. You could toss together a small board that takes in DMX at any starting address and outputs it on 4,5,6.
/mike
 

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