Hard Hats, Bump Caps, and Helmets

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So, Curious question about the OSHA approved hardhats. What are they rated to take as far as impacts go? If a shackle falls from 100' and slams into the hardhat, will you come out of it with anything more than a concussion? I ask because at that point I wondered how "worth it" the hardhat is to have since a shackle or a wrench is the most common to fall with what we do, if at that hieght and momentum if the hardhat is really going to protect you enough to not permenantly do damage.


I don't have a copy of the most recent version of ANSI/ISEA Z89.1-2009. Should you choose to purchase this code (or if someone has one already), then you would know the force of penetration/impact prevented to meet this code. My guess is that, if properly worn and helmet is in approved state of repair, that yes, you would be protected. Some things to note, from the International Safety Equipment Organization.
Industrial head protective helmets meeting the requirements of this standard are classified as Type I for top protection, or Type II for lateral impact protection. Both types are tested for impact attenuation and penetration resistance. Type II helmet performance requirements include criteria for impact energy attenuation from impacts from the front, back and sides as well as the top; off-center penetration resistance, and chin strap retention.

The three classes indicate the helmets electrical insulation rating. Class G (general) helmets are tested at 2200 volts, Class E (electrical) are tested to withstand 20,000 volts, and Class C (conductive) provide no electrical protection.


So, as Derek pointed out the grey area, your local can require you to have certain safety equipment as part of your tool kit so as to provide some measure of common safety protection, along with certain clothing and safety shoes. Since the local is not an employer, they would not be required to provide such equipment. Technically, yes, the venue or whomever is the legal employer would be required to provide such equipment, but since it would be difficult for a payroll service that acts as an employer to provide such equipment, our industry generally relies on the worker to do so. Even if the worker provides their own safety equipment, the employer is still responsible for making sure the employee knows how to use it and that it is in proper working order and that areas where it is required are known to the employee.
Employers should make sure that each employee demonstrates an understanding of the PPE training as well as the ability to properly wear and use PPE before they are allowed to perform work requiring the use of the PPE. If an employer believes that a previously trained employee is not demonstrating the proper understanding and skill level in the use of PPE, that employee should receive retraining. Other situations that require additional or retraining of employees include the following circumstances: changes in the workplace or in the type of required PPE that make prior training obsolete.

The employer must document the training of each employee required to wear or use PPE by preparing a certification containing the name of each employee trained, the date of training and a clear identification of the subject of the certification.

And if the mountain climbing helmets are more used as bump caps and not hardhats, is there a reason why companies like Feld and Cirque haven't been requiring the employees to wear OSHA approved gear? Juuust curious. I'm actually now in a more curious and fascinated mood. :)

The only reason that those companies would not require the approved gear is if a Hazard Assessment has been done to determine that they are unnecessary (or at least when you are in the venue). Those that I know who have worked for those particular employers (as employees, not contracted by an outside employer such as Rhino Staging) were provided with appropriate PPE as needed. They may have also provided the climbing helmets to those working at height if it were determined that there was not the risk provided in OSHA 3151-12R 2003.
 
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We recently had both Cirque: Michael Jackson and Feld with Toy Story 3 and both companies had petzl head gear. When I asked them what kind of head gear they used, they all said mountain climbing helmets are good enough since the impact of a shackle, or worse an entire point would go straight through an ANSI approved helmet. And this is coming from the ground guys. I asked what they were wearing and one had a brand new Vertex helmet but the Helios or whatever one that he used to use was perfectly fine.

Of course these are all things of speculation since I asked how much information they knew about the gear as far as how well they hold up under things like putting it to the accidental drop challange. And none of them said they had tested or really looked into it. But the Cirque guy I talked to with the Vertex helmet swore by it saying it's what industrial workers use.
 
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My local just added helmets to our list of things we need to start bringing on the job(Surprised it hasn't happened sooner) and I was wondering what you all use company-wise. I had been thinking about getting one of the Petzl Elios Helmets. But I was wondering if anyone had any better ideas or preferences. I haven't really asked anyone in our local yet, But I plan to when I get the chance. But here is the one that I found that seems like the best buy at the moment. Though if there is a better suggested one, I will definitely be putting it into consideration.

Closeout - Petzl Elios Helmet A42

These are awesome for what you're thinking of. Especially since it should be designed to absorb multiple impacts. Plus, there's a visualindicator that shows you inside the helmet if you've made the helmet unusable.
 
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These are awesome for what you're thinking of. ...
But are they OSHA-acceptable as hard hats?

...All folks underneath us are required by law to wear hard hats. Regular ol' hardhats.
The company that owns the theatre and the arena has asked us- as well as the other house staff to begin wearing hard hats while riggers are in the air. ... But I want something that is going to be OSHA approved if I ever went into a venue in the future that requires it (if that is ever an issue).
 
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But are they OSHA-acceptable as hard hats?

Hey kidz, some clarification: yes, in California they are acceptable as hard hats. Your state regulations may vary. Do your due diligence, as always.
My company provides "regular ol' hard hats" to folks on the ground if they aren't climbers here. But when we're doing Rope Access and folks are underneath us, they have to have lids.

Hope that helps.
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I disagree, they totally can. I am required to show up every time with a pair of gloves, an adjustable C wrench, and a multi-tool, in blacks and black steel toed shoes.

None of which are specific and usable only on that job. And likely you're paid as an independent contractor, on a 1099. Rules are different for that because the contractor can use those tools for multiple customers. Which, by the way, makes them a work related unreimbursed expense, and they are now tax deductible. But if those black clothes had a logo for a company, the company WOULD have to reimburse you or provide the uniforms themselves. That's why Panera Bread requires a style of clothing. But no logo. Go in to one and look for a logo on the shirt. Non-existent. The employees can wear their clothes anywhere, so they aren't reimbursed. But McDonald's reimburses uniforms if you stay there for a period of time, which is also legal.
 
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None of which are specific and usable only on that job. And likely you're paid as an independent contractor, on a 1099. Rules are different for that because the contractor can use those tools for multiple customers. Which, by the way, makes them a work related unreimbursed expense, and they are now tax deductible. But if those black clothes had a logo for a company, the company WOULD have to reimburse you or provide the uniforms themselves. That's why Panera Bread requires a style of clothing. But no logo. Go in to one and look for a logo on the shirt. Non-existent. The employees can wear their clothes anywhere, so they aren't reimbursed. But McDonald's reimburses uniforms if you stay there for a period of time, which is also legal.

I am an employee, on a W2, and yes, we do not need to have logos. However, should a hard hat be required, the logic would be the same, you would have it for anyone who might require it. A hard hat is not terribly unique to a particular job. Now if they required us to have specific helmets that were for a specific purpose, then that might be a situation for them to reimburse us. Realistically tho, its probably easier for the venue to come up with a pile of hard hats, and if you want something better, go ahead and grab one?
 
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Fastenal will have hard hats or if you have a couple of weeks, 3M sometimes will have offers for a free hard hat..they just came out with a new product to tell when your hat has been in the sun to long so they are trying to get that out there...3M.com/h-700 that is not a plug for 3M although I love their hard hat...it is just a free hat and who does not like free...
 
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And from 3M's site, there is a great Hard Hats 101 pdf. It covers some of the questions about the amount of force that a helmet should protect from as well as the types of helmets, updated with the 2009 standards.
 
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Fastenal will have hard hats or if you have a couple of weeks, 3M sometimes will have offers for a free hard hat..they just came out with a new product to tell when your hat has been in the sun to long so they are trying to get that out there...3M.com/h-700 that is not a plug for 3M although I love their hard hat...it is just a free hat and who does not like free...

I just registered to get one... I dont wear them often but when you need a hard hat, its nice to have a good hard hat.
 
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I know some people like to wear their hats "steel worker" style with the brim in the back. That's all well and good but you need to make sure the suspension in your helmet is reversible. Some helmet/suspension pairings are only made to work in one direction.
 
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The helmets made to the 2009 classifications will inform you whether your helmet may be reversed. If the helmet were manufactured to prior standards, then you would have to contact the manufacturer.
 
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I know some people like to wear their hats "steel worker" style with the brim in the back. That's all well and good but you need to make sure the suspension in your helmet is reversible. Some helmet/suspension pairings are only made to work in one direction.

My personal favorite has always been the linemans style, with the brim all the way around. Not sure why, it just always has...
 
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I was told that the lineman style is used more due to the "bounce" effect of something falling on your head. So instead of a bolt falling and hitting your shoulder, it would veer away from you. But I've never seen it done. Makes sense to me though.
 
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The lineman style is designed with a brim all around for a much simpler reason. Rain goes down your back instead of down your neck, and it offers more sun protection. I use one when working outside, but I find that the brim is intrusive for inside work.
 
Going in the opposite direction, that's why the mountaineering style helmets have LESS of a brim than other lids- so you can look up easier and not expose your face as much.
 
According to Canadian Regs. the only approved climbing helmet that is suitable for hard hat use in Canada is the Petzl Vertex - with no vents. Can't have vents due to liquid spills, debris and I think sparks as well.
 

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