Help with cellular bonding

TheLauz

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Hello everyone, this is my first post..I have recently began doing some side consulting work, my background is in live broadcast operations and electronic retailing...I have experience with many bonded cellular solutions, Dejero, LiveU, TVU, Liveshot, etc...my most recent client has a unique situation...they want to be able to stream from anywhere without relying on the venues internet. They typically hardwire into to a modem or use WIFI, but after a few failures then want a better solution. I suggested some kind of bonded solution...it turns out the client only wants to stream to instagram, which means to execute an elevated multi-camera production you need to employ a third party work-around called yellow duck. Our current solution is to feed yellow duck from the OBS encoder. What i have come to realize is that most bonded solutions do encoding as well, IE LiveU Solo, VidiuGo etc...but I just want an access point, no encoding needed, I may also want others to be able to log on, so if it can create a hot spot that would be great, so others can access comments, emails etc... I am currently looking at Mushroom Networks, Peplink, MineMedia to name a few...also Teradek Link Pro, not to be confused with the VidUGo

Wondering if anyone has advice on this topic and if it matters if the bonded solution has an encoder or not...OBS info states you can not use an external hardware encoder in conjunction with it? Not sure where i read this or if it is true...very difficult to test with having the bonded solutions on site...cheers, let me know!
 

macsound

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What I'd be most worried about is Yellow Duck.
I don't know who makes this app or api. They don't have an about page. Basing your whole project on this no-name "connector" isn't probably the best idea. FB/ Instagram might kill or change what makes this thing work any time. Which based on their current efforts to unite Messenger (which is probably because of backend simplification) they may also be making other unification decisions soon.
 

TheLauz

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Thanks all...I appreciate the feedback...I am narrowing it down to Peplink and Mushroom networks...I would love to go with the VidiuGo or a LiveU solo as they seem to be the most affordable, will either product generate an access point or hotspot or are they just essentially bonded cellular encoders? IE they are all toted as "streaming" appliances. I have questions into their sales and support as well. I am trying to work with the client to convince them that they should be steaming on other platforms that are more conducive to a bigger production set up...hopefully they see it my way...cheers!
 

Ben Stiegler

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I've sold and managed Mushroom networks way back when they were 5 people ... it's good stuff. BUT

- if you can't get clean upstream bandwidth at a site (cow pasture? Parking lot? ) then the rest of the toys won't help much. If an audience is allowedto be present, they will gobble up tons of cell tower bandwidth ... all those background apps chugging away even if no one is looking at their phone. I would dig into the root causes ofprior failures using venue bandwidth. In most cases, that is goingto be your most solid option. Then you can use a cradle point or similar for a bonded 2nd path. Note ... in IT, the model is called SD-WAN and the edge device used for bonding and monitoring is something more specialized. These can be provided on an aaS basis.PM me to get into more specifics.

- I prefer to use Restream.io as my exit portal from OBS ...for the monitoring. / mgmt features, even if I'm only going to one customer facing platform. However, some hard moments when following client preference to "only stream to FB live" ... things get ugly if that one destination is having a bad hair day. Unless you are paying for a streambroadcasting service, you have no real reason to expect it to be working at your air time. So I am now adamant about giving the public at least 2 destinations to watch from. Bonus upside ... FB might be ok on the west coast, but totally gagging in the U.K. ... or Boston.
 

RonaldBeal

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I have an associate who just finished a "50 states in 50 days" tour, with 4 output cellular bonding (LiveU) Even with that, there was no consistency... some places we expected good signal, but bandwidth tanked, other places we expected none and got huge bandwidth. I think that will be the long pole in the tent... short of GOOD hardwire, there will be no guarantees.
 

longreachnz

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Hi @TheLauz,

I have been doing this very thing in New Zealand for about a year. I work for a full service arts industry technical supplier and every time we have to do a gig which is outside of our usual venues, we run into internet difficulties, especially with livestreaming which literally everyone wants to do these days because of covid and travel restrictions. I ended up designing a celluar bonding mobile setup which I now hire out to other event companies to ensure a high speed broadband connection anywhere in cell range! This is software based, so no expensive dual celluar modem boxes, it's all modular for exceptional failover and redundancy, I didn't want to just rely on a single box which could go wrong. I use 3 lte modems with different carriers connected to a laptop or computer, with a bonding vpn software solution installed and a single ethernet cable out to a router. This works very well and has different modes depending on what you're doing and how reliable you need the connection. Happy to answer any questions!
 

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