High School does Alien as a play

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    I think that with the social media attention this is getting them, it could be a harsh lesson.
     
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    Hmmm, well it's a 20th Century Fox film, which is now owned by Disney......
    I was checking out the film at imdb and for one of the scenes they borrowed some lasers from Pink Floyd who were shooting in the next door studio.
     
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    Copyright aside
    It looks like they did a really good job!
     
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    Oh, but the mouse is so open-minded and willing to work with people when it comes to copyright infringement and intellectual property.
     
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    It's insanely good. We should all quit now.

    And yeah, they are gonna get slapped hard and cry foul when the cease and desist letters arrive.
     
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    Ha! Did y'all read in the comments about how the Score for the show was also lifted from the film? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA They are gonna get sued so hard.
     
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    Our community theater takes copyright issues very seriously, partly because that is the law. And partly because that is right thing to do. Whether a copyright holder is making millions or pennies, ownership is ownership. All the adults and children in our group know the value of an artistic creation and have respect for the creators livelihood.

    Lesson these teachers taught here is theft is acceptable as long as you have fun. High school vs Big Corp is no excuse.

    Granted the production looks well done, and if we all could ignore copyright and not use creativity to convey a licensed story, a lot of amatuer productions could be much higher quality.

    My hope is the school board takes a good hard look at the teachers contracts and seek the harshest possible punishment up to and including termination of employment.
     
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    My guess is the director will be fired when the school administration/district is served with papers. The school has been exposed to significant legal liability and I doubt Disney will relent when "we didn't know" is the response. My further guess is The Mouse will settle out of court to avoid the social media posts "Disney sues school, seizes auditorium in judgment" kind of things.

    Sonny Bono would be spinning in his grave if he knew what was in the copyright act revision that was named for him... and getting the Bono copyright extension bill written was a Disney project, mostly. Subsequent revisions (also producer-written/lobbied) have ensured that a copyright will come close to perpetual, for all practical purposes. Wait for fair use to get further tightened up, too.
     
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    Also, their definition of a "shoestring budget" might vary differently from other schools. I know some universities who would love access to projection. "Recycled materials"? I think that is the purpose of educational theater. I think that their best option is to look towards the cosplay market.
     
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    Disney gona take a cue from this production and have a script and school production guide out shortly. Unless they plan to take it to broadway.

    Why bother to sue a school when they can develop a product from it.

    ALIEN the musical.... true horror
     
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    Oh, I'm sure that it will settle out of court. They will get sued, but just to make sure no one else does it.
     
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    Wouldn't this be covered under fair use as educational.. if they hadn't sold tickets?
     
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    Maybe portions of it. But the Music is the Music if lifted straight from the movie. same goes if they used any of the video. Their play-writing of the story would maybe be considered fair use as an adapted work.

    But I'm sure they sold tickets. Probably not for much, but selling a products is not the definitive line for fair-use if I understand it correctly.

    It's not like they did a Satirical "Al Liam: the Play, In space it doesn't mater if you're a ginger", scored their own sound design, and Pond 5 Video loops. Which I think would be nearly fully protected.

    I'd be interested to see how this does work out. It's important to teach students the appropriate use of licensing when doing this kinda of work. And I feel bad that what would have been a great under the rug low-key great experience might have some unintended consequences from going viral, because of lack of knowledge or care from the adult staff.
     
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    I'm afraid not. Any showing of copyrighted material is infringement. My 7th graders wanted to do a staged version of Princess Bride. This was in a private school and the only people in the audience would have been friends and family. I contacted William Goldman for permission and he said "no." Upon further discussion I was told that even if we just went into the auditorium and turned on the lights, it counts as a "production"! Fair Use covers working with the material in the classroom only- scene study, character work, etc.
     
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    It's my understand that fair use means you can use what you like in your classroom with students, but the moment you invite any kind of audience, it becomes a performance. It think it would even count as a performance if they were performing in the classroom for the parents of the students. Whether admission is charged is irrelevant - you're still using someone's work.
     
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    I hope they get through their run OK, but when I was in HS back in the 70's, we got slapped by Mad Magazine for stealing some material for an evening of one-acts, and had to cancel. Content owners aren't playing, and with social media, they WILL find out. I still think someone ratted us out to Mad back in the day; how else would they have found out about a high school production in Northern California? :think:
     
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    According to this, the budget was only around $3,500.

    Saved a lot without those pesky licensing fees....:lol::wall:
     
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    Its Bergen County, kids couldn't go shopping on Sunday so might as well rip off a movie, that'll show them blue laws.

    A few years back we had a promoter bring in "The Snow Sisters: The Musical". It was a straight rip off of Frozen including playing back clips from the movie. No mouse could be seen in the production. After looking up the laws around it apparently Disney has just given up on a lot of these copyright cases and just looked at what is better for the brand vs the PR nightmare the internet can bring in. https://www.salon.com/2014/05/23/ho...top_worrying_and_love_copyright_infringement/

    So, I doubt they actually sue. Its the best thing to happen to the Alien franchise in a long time.
     
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