#### LPdan

##### Active Member
Hello,
We currently use a Midas M32 in our local theatre, but have been running out of channels. It looks like we will get approval to purchase a new console with higher channel count, so I am curious about opinions on which to buy. We have been completely happy with the M32. Should we be looking at larger Midas consoles? Other considerations? I'm thinking 60 mix inputs minimum.
Thanks!

#### spenserh

##### Active Member
Allen & Heath D-Live, or Digico.

Are you doing lots of Musical Theatre? Is so an SD9T might be the ticket.

#### macsound

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Besides channel count, what are you looking for in this upgrade? More faders, smaller footprint, Dante.
Coming from an M32 but now looking for input capacity of over 60, you're moving from a VW to an Audi. So not quite the Bentley but adding a 0.
Is there a budget? Mixing with 2 consoles is cheaper than buying one big one.

#### LPdan

##### Active Member
Yes, most of our performances are musical theater. We expect to need a larger footprint, so size is not a concern. The primary objective is to get more inputs. While more faders would be nice, we could live with more layers, but would not want less faders.
While it's not a case of price is no object, the administration is very much about paying for the right solution. I know we could link a second M32, but seems kind of sloppy. My guess is we could be somewhere in the 10k-20k range.

#### TimMc

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There are odd limitations to the Midas Pro series (no pre-everything sends on some, but not all models, for example). Midas/Music Group has been teasing with a "new" console and leaked pictures for a couple of years but still seems to be VaporWare (thank you, Jerry Pournell). The Pro Series has effectively reached EOL status, too, with only the X model in production although upgrade packages are available for the Pro 6/9.

#### LPdan

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MNicolai, thanks for all that input. I took a look at the Yamaha QL5, looks like it could be a good fit. The local inputs would be nice as we have our wireless racks in the sound booth. Appreciate the note on support, that is very important to us.
Any idea how scene recall is on the QL5?

#### LPdan

##### Active Member
The DigiCo seems like it is out of range on price. I just got a nice quote for the QL5.......

#### markviml

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Any idea how scene recall is on the QL5?
It's pretty good. 90% of what I would ideally want for theatre. A combination of recall safe and focus recall on scenes is very powerful. You can chang mutes and DCAs, but not band EQ, but ocasionally a channel EQ... All up to how much detail you want to program in.

RonHebbard

#### MNicolai

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Re: Scene Recall, it's come a long way from the LS9 days when it sucked if you were doing more than a handful of scenes.

When they developed the CL series 7-8 years ago, Yamaha looked at how lighting consoles handled theatrical cue stacks and used that as a basis for how they handle scenes. That's where they got the idea for their Blind function that allows you to make changes in other cues without messing up your live mix.

Think there's some good YouTube videos demonstrating it if you want to see it in action. Just be cognizant that if you look at videos from 2013/2014, they've added features and made improvements since then.

#### BCAP

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CL/QL is a good board. Probably a very tiny issue and would be far from a deal breaker for me personally but I've had some issues with the CL/QL recording function using the USB jack on the front of the console. You's supposed to be able to put a flash drive in it, and record a performance. I've found it helpful at times. No *.wav format support and the units I've recorded performances on a few times the file became corrupted during recording.

#### Footer

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I'm definitely open to 56 channels. TimMc mentioned above that the Midas Pro series had effectively reached end of life? While we have been happy with the M32, I did always feel like the scene recall was less than ideal.
They have end of lifed any new consoles in that line. They are still supporting them though. FWIW, most consoles I see come through are either Midas or Digico. We see hardly any Yamaha. Avid has pretty much gone away except for the tours that can't afford Digico or shows where the band doesn't want to pay to re-tech their entire show. There are still a ton of Midas desks out there. I'd still pull a quote for a Pro2 just to see.

#### TimMc

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They have end of lifed any new consoles in that line. They are still supporting them though. FWIW, most consoles I see come through are either Midas or Digico. We see hardly any Yamaha. Avid has pretty much gone away except for the tours that can't afford Digico or shows where the band doesn't want to pay to re-tech their entire show. There are still a ton of Midas desks out there. I'd still pull a quote for a Pro2 just to see.
There are still Pro series desks in inventory, both at Music Group and their distributors/retailers, but I'm told they ain't building any more of them. How long Midas supports any product *might* be illustrated by how TurboSound (owned by Music Group) supports the Turbo professional lines that were only a couple years old when Music Group bought Turbo... which is to say, fuhgettaboutit.

The desks I'm seeing on music events are DigiCo SD9, SD12 mostly. A couple of Midas ProX, some Pro2 (almost no Pro6 or Pro 9), then Avid S6L with various sized surfaces and Yammy CL/QL/Rio. Lots of Avid Profiles still working out there, too.

Touring musical theater? The newer shows are on some flavor of DigiCo, haven't seen a Midas. One show came through with a Yammy PM-10 Rivage but I wasn't there to see/hear it.

If the venue does more than musical theater the Yamaha CL/QL ecosystem is a good bet in terms of acceptance.

#### LPdan

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Thanks everyone for all this valuable input. Our venue does more than musical theater, but that is the majority. We aren't trying to meet riders, just want a good board for in-house use, and if outside groups want to use it. I still have a lot of research to do, but I think Digico is probably out of price range, and probably going to have a tough sell buying something discontinued. Is Midas replacing these models with something new or getting out of that product range?