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Conventional Fixtures Kliegl 1355 ERS and 3609 8"Fresnel Help

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by BUSSME2009, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. BUSSME2009

    BUSSME2009 Member

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    Hello all,

    I have a question dealing with the wiring for some old kliegl's and if it has Asbestos wires. The ground wires on both instruments look like they may have it and if so I must have it taken care of soon. On the ERS's they are a brown colored ground wire shown below in the pictures. On the Fresnel the ground wire has the same texture, but they have some kind of green wax coating on it. Does anyone know if these are Asbestos wires? Any help would be appreciated.

    Kliegl 1355 ERS and 3609 8"Fresnel

    Thanks

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  2. lightman02

    lightman02 Active Member

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    It kinda looks like it but have these been rewired in the past at all?? The lead wires look fairly newer. The ground wires look pretty beat up anyway, I would just snake a new ground through and leave the main leads alone as long as they are in good shape.
     
  3. BUSSME2009

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    As far as I know they have never been rewired. These units have been in the theatre since 1978. What caused concern to me was that ground wire. If it is Asbestos then I will have to have them abated. The ERS's are no longer in use, but a few have been kept for education learning purpose. As far as the Fresnel's they are currently in use.
     
  4. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    I want to think it's not asbestos, but it sure looks it from the pictures; although we tend to think only of the white fluffy insulation. I think I recall using 1355 fixtures from the same era that had a green hi-temp silicone insulated ground wire.

    Excellent that you're keeping a few 1355s around as teaching tools. (But 13 is too many, send one to me, for my museum. :))

    Do you have any pictures of the Fresnels? I'd take it to be tested before abating it. I know there's a "home test kit" for lead paint, and I think there may be the same for asbestos.
     
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    SteveB Well-Known Member

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    Museum hell, you're going to make another butt-friggin-ugly table lamp !.

    SB
     
  6. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    Well:!:
    I know what I'm NOT getting you for your
    :twisted:

    To all others, I present:

    the Kliegl Bros. #3604, 500W, 4.5" Fresnel stage/studio fixture and CFL desk lamp.
     

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    Agreed. I did, however, like the ERS one.
     
  8. BUSSME2009

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    I do not have any pictures but I can take one when I have some time. I only have two remaining ERS. The pictures posted are from some housings we got rid of a wile back. I guess the best bet it to have the instruments tested.

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    There was about that era a non-asbestos heat wire that looked about like asbestos. Never identified what it looked like or how it was different so if in doubt - bag it anyway.

    Tested nothing in my opinion, stop the exposure already, cut the whip and while already out cut any exposed parts you can get to and bag them all including the plug.

    This leaves only limited amounts of questionable wire under the strain relief and around the lampholder. Of those do your best to limit and clean after exposure to the particles you now or later might be able to breath. Don't try to save the plug or any sleeving over the wire or anything else other than what's necessary for the fixture. Cut what you can away of the old wire while bagging it and get rid of it as safe as possible.

    A side note concern of mine is less about the whips exposed to than the caticomes or corners of the theater exposed to in the future that has been recieving the fibers for many years. Particles that fall off and are now dust on the floor to be sturred up again are more a concern of mine than a whip that's coated but easily cut and bagged. More a question about those shiny particles in the air as you move about to be concerned about than a individual fixture whip.

    Seems like these sockets were replaced at some point in the past without the ground being also replaced. Typical, Even I might have done a similar thing years ago.

    Following the removal whould also be a question of the servicability of the lampholder itself in conducting.
     
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    Thanks for the input. I am planning to go the safe route and replace the wiring. I will be ordering new TP22 sockets, ground wires, and Fiberglass Sleeves for the old Kliegl's.
     

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