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LED CYC Lighting

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by JoeFras, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. JoeFras

    JoeFras New Member

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    Lighting a CYC with LED fixtures comes and goes as an idea because of the issue of the uneven photometric of "PAR" or strip style fixtures.
    Altman now has an LED fixture specifically designed as a CYC wash unit. It is the Spectra Series LED CYC 100w. I was able to demo a single unit for a day and was interested if anyone else has any comment on this fixture.

    Thanks for the input.
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    What was the pricing on this compared to ETC's Selador Series LED fixtures? Those are 7-color, unlike Altman's RGBA cyc washes, so I'm wondering how much of a price jump there would be between the two.
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    I have yet to see them in person, however we *might* be renting them for our current show.

    My TD went to LDI with one of his missions to look at LED cyc lighting. He looked at Selador, he looked at CK, but he said the truly most impressive unit was the Altman Spectra Cyc. Infact, while he was at the CK booth, he asked about cyc lighting and the CK rep himself told my TD to go check out the Altman unit!


    Whats smart about the Altman unit is the LED's mix at the reflector; it's designed like a soft light. Instead of the color mixing from the individual LED's AFTER it leaves the fixture, they mix at the reflector and the light that comes out is pure, no multi-color shadows. Additionally, they need no external power supply, and have DMX512 and 120v AC pass through on board.

    As for pricing, I believe i've seen them anywhere between $1,200 and $1,800 per unit.
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    If these numbers are accurate, this seems like a pretty good deal given the price to light a cyc with comparable LED strips from top and bottom. This assuming that you can use these like regular cyc lights (top only) and spaced a reasonable distance apart. I'd like to see these units in action, since they seem to be somewhat under-rated.
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    We own six of the Spectra-CYC 100's and they're very very good at highly saturated colors but can't quite pull off some of the more pastel tones or a true 3500K white, but they do come a lot closer than most other RGB fixtures.

    For the price they're very hard to beat, and they're almost as bright if not brighter than a 1K sky-cyc on some of the deeper colors.

    I've yet to use them in a theater space, but for wall-washes they've worked well so far.

    MSRP is $2,150.00, but they can be found for considerably less.
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    What is the price range for Selador fixtures?
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    They usually can be had for between arm/leg - first born ;)
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    I had Russell Altman in a couple days ago to do a demo of the Spectra Cyc and Par. While it is hard to really do a comparison when you only have one cyc fixture, I was pretty impressed. It really is the only LED cyc fixture available on the market today. Sorry, Selador and the CK are just no making cyc fixtures. Strips are all well and good, but are no more useful in lighting a large cyc than MR-16 Zip Strips. My local rep is going to try and get a bunch of the altman fixtures in so that we can do a real shootout at some point, but the upfront cost is a little prohibitive for us.
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    The company I work for got a quote of $1290 each. When you consider the ability to color mix and reduced setup and power requirements, this is not unattractive.

    They setup just like traditional CYC light fixtures. At top and or bottom and spacing 6 to 8 feet apart.
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    Re: Altman LED cyc Lighting

    Furthering what [user]JoeFras[/user] said...
    MSRP for Spectra Series LED CYC 100W -Black is $2150. Compare to MSRP for SKY-CYC-04 at $1325. Dimmers, circuitry, gel, and lamps certainly cost more than the difference of $825. I'd really like to hear from someone who has five to eight of the Spectras lighting a cyc, to see if they do actually perform favorably.
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    These seem really fantastic, but I'm worried that they might have that jittery LED really-fast-flicker going on. I really could not stand an entire cyc doing that, although it might be diminished by the offset from the other fixtures. Admittedly, I don't have much experience with LED lights, but the flickering is my main argument against, along with the narrow spectrum output.
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    Re: Altman LED cyc Lighting

    Thats the interesting issue. We are used to paying the one time fee for dimmers and plugging in a 200 dollar light. We have yet to cross the bridge of just buying the 1200 dollar light.

    I too would love to see these things in action on a full scale cyc in a real world situation. Between these fixtures and the Reveal line, LED lighting is MUCH closer then we think. I could easily sell a few donors to pick up 4 of those, especially with the "green" incentive.
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    Re: Altman LED cyc Lighting

    Also take a look at grants from eco-groups. I know that at least some of them would be interested in pulling 12000W off the cyc and replace it with 400W of LEDs, and would probably partially subsidize the purchase.
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    Altman's are flicker free. Both in real life and on Film. for right now that should be the first question out of anybody's mouth who is looking in the general direction of LEDS. I've gotten to work with the Altman not too long ago, and believe me they're worth it.
    My major concern with LEDs is actually a little different from most people I watch the trimming, both in 8 or in 16 bit mode. Trimming, as in when there is a color change, how smooth is that transition going to be? Good trimming equals high bin products, bad trimming will just get worse. Even though they are more expensive I feel that high bin LEDs are the way to go. Most of the stuff out there can get you good or at least interesting color, but will it be bright enough? Can you mix it well? What does the snap or the fade actually look like? Even more important what's it going to look like with the conventional fixtures you've already got? When we go from red to blue is it going to stutter? How quickly is my circuit board going to die? What happens when I drop it, not if I drop it, when I drop it.
    When you buy this stuff your remember it's like buying a car. You've got multiple features to pay attention to. Big wheels are cool (I'm from N.C.) but what's the gas millage? How comfy are the seats, can you program the display/ C.D player? to me right now, Altman wins, on all counts, it's the first theater LED that i feel is actually worth the money. and no I don't work for them. Have fun, those things are a blast.
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    In my experience, you get what you pay for when it comes to LED's. We've got Mega-lite Color Cannons at my church and they are perfectly fine on camera. No flicker whatsoever. On the other hand, we had to send back some iRiver white/amber LED's due to very noticable flicker on camera. The Color Cannons aren't perfect though, the bottom end of the dimming range is a bit rough; they do tend to step for the first couple of values above 0.

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