Running an "On the Fly" Show on a Road Hog

[RedGreenBlue132]

So I have kind of an emergency situation, This coming Friday I'll be running a show at a venue that used a Road Hog for their house console, which is an entirely different beast than the Smartfade 48/96 I use now, and for reasons out of my control, I am unable to have a cue list. I basically create all of my "building blocks" and assign them to one of my 48 preset faders and run my show on the fly. So walking in and telling their programmer to make a sequential cue list isn't going to be practical because the show has no set sequence. What's the best way to work around this? I need a minimum of 12 color washes, 12 leko spots (unless they have a house spot guy) and like a hand full of mover scenes with a couple shape effects on the p/t that all need to be able to be accessed at a seconds notice. I know the hogs are meant for shows with cue list, but there has to be someone that has walked in and said "Hey my band doesn't have a set list how the hell am I supposed to use this" and figured out a way, but hey, maybe they have a fader wing...but lets assume they don't.

 

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http://www.plsn.com/current-issue/23-technopolis/2177-the-ultimate-punt-page.html

 

[RedGreenBlue132]

most of that would work IF they have an external fader wing, what happens if they don't?

 

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You use pages or put more then one thing on each playback. On programmer based consoles you have to part ways with how you use handles vs a conventional console. When each handle can operate as a chase... or a cue stack... an effect... or a simple sub it really changes the way you go about operating the console.

Trust your house system tech. Odds are they have a nice punt page that they use every night. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Your not the first person to light a show on a hog without a wing. If you have never touched a programmer based console you really need to do some reading before... these consoled don't operate like any theatrical console.

 

[RedGreenBlue132]

So after talking with one of the house guys, it turns out they do have a full wing. However, he then said quote "my guys are running the show" and will only take "suggestions" from me like I don't know what I doing...I don't see the issue with having their programmer set up the wing and me run the faders since I know my show better than anybody. Are they just being over protective or is this some kind of union thing?

 

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Even if it's a union thing that should not stop you from running the desk. As long as a person is there to run out is all that counts. With the exception of some TV shows I don't know of any real venue that has that policy. Get whoever hired you to talk to the people that hired them to talk to the venue.

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[RedGreenBlue132]

They did, but they're being very uptight, they wont even let us use our sound engineer. This is a casino by the way, but I don't makes any difference.

 

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They did, but they're being very uptight, they wont even let us use our sound engineer. This is a casino by the way, but I don't makes any difference.

Unless the band is willing to lose the gig I guess your hosed. Sounds like someone needs to redo their contract.

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[RedGreenBlue132]

That's a really good point...I'll need to bring that up with the band management.

 

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That's a really good point...I'll need to bring that up with the band management.

Most contracts have something that looks like this.... If they don't, the agent needs to be let go. We'll let anyone mix or light a show... and we'll also let that person deal with it if it sucks.

C4. ARTIST shall have sole and exclusive control over the production, presentation and performance
in connection with the engagement, including the details, means and methods of the performance
by the ARTIST and each member thereof, as well as the persons employed by the ARTIST in
conjunction with said engagement. ARTIST’s representative shall have sole authority in directing
personnel operating all lighting and sound equipment in conjunction with this engagement.

 

[MikeJ]

Eat a lot of garlic, and don't brush your teeth or shower for a few days, then stand uncomfortably close to the house guy the entire time you are making "suggestions."