Small Community Theatre

Doowop63

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I belong to a small community theatre in NY. We operate on an extremely tight budget and scrimp for anything. Is there a site where we could find production houses that may be willing to donate old lighting equipment or parts? I am willing to travel to pick up within reason. We just dont have the budget for fixtures legs curtains etc.
 
I belong to a small community theatre in NY. We operate on an extremely tight budget and scrimp for anything. Is there a site where we could find production houses that may be willing to donate old lighting equipment or parts? I am willing to travel to pick up within reason. We just dont have the budget for fixtures legs curtains etc.
Here is a listing from before, http://www.controlbooth.com/threads/heads-up-for-purchase-in-a-few-weeks.32957/#post-289664, these items are still available and there is enought to do an entire theater (except for sound. ) We are looking to get something for these items but at this point they are taking up space and we need to get rid of it. So far it's $3,000 for EVERYTHING! We may be able to work something out if needed also. A flat bed trailer would be needed for pickup and we are located in Fremont OH.
 
Its’ really tough, but if any help "My Kindom for another Leko" in been there and done that as many of us have cut our teeth on in design. Not fun but also makes you a better designer in making choices. That and also gives you a healthy respect for designing around what you have available.
These days I have surplus fixtures I fall rear backwards into getting bulks of, but also need a lot of attention/saving. Shipping would be more expensive than the fixtures in value in your case so that’s of no help, plus what I often get has been sitting about a few years and as per with the most recent batch... gizzards rusted solid that took more man/hours than they were worth to save.
Back when I ran/TD’d a "store front theater" I was working as often as I could in the industry as a free lance employee or if normal type, the first laid off as I often was. No name in the industry meant little work especially if not union. I did however create some contacts thru my employers so as to have first choice in recycling their used set stuff that would otherwise go to the trash.
That which was dumpster fill I had time to take apart in making for free cost savings now on the scenery side at least for the budget. I’m sure these days just as I have the original rope light that never goes bad, you could find savings in lighting also. Even stuff like saved gel.
E-Bay and various used gear sources have bulk sales of very obsolete gear that will need work. A radial Leko will with work still bench focus fairly clean enough to supplement the bulk of your inventory, and a Fresnel is a Fresnel no matter the age for all intensive purposes. You will need to re-wire and tear apart and bring anything you get used back, but it’s a good learning experience.
Not offering anything I have, too much cost to ship and I’m months long in backlog for gear already I have to find time to fix. Hope it helps and don’t be afraid of very used gear or radial Lekos’ and or in general any age of the gear. With some work on what you get it will work well for your needs.
Than is the donation end... where I work we often donate to our local places, but you have to get the front office types working on such requests. Figure you are working on the gear hard enough
 
Over the years I have been able to connect with local schools that have upgraded their auditoriums, usually through teachers involved with them. A lot of the old gear still has a lot of life left in it and can be made usable with little or no cash outlay. It's a matter of being able to get it when they're tossing it......
 
You may find it worth sending a begging letter or email to commercial theatres and TV stations who often have lots of old gear which is out of date for their use but fine for you, casinos and nightclubs also are worth dropping a line, I frequently recycle from these sources to state schools, especially now when many wealthier organizations are buying into LED.
 
Call your local rental shops and ask if they have any old gear that they might be willing to sell for really cheap.
 
Call your local rental shops and ask if they have any old gear that they might be willing to sell for really cheap.
Just got a quote for proper asbestos disposal... 5gal bucket by the time you get done with proper disposal costs, it's over $500.00 and that's the smallest size for disposal they would quote. I had a medium sized ziplock bag of it. That and once you get the permit for having such a disposal bucket you have a few weeks to fill it. Can fit a lot of asbestos wiring and other stuff like backer pads for lenses into a 5gal. bucket, yet out of 25x 5K Fresnel fixtures just bought used, there was only one with it. Will take me years to fill a 5gal. bucket even if I deal with antique lights more than most. Doing it properly is going to be expensive.

That's a factor in buying old gear, than there is the truck load of EC Lekos and other gear from the 90's I somehow fell rear backwards into helping to sell off. This gear was from the 90's and is a cheap clone to the 360Q series of Leko. On initial random inspection, they were serviceable - as above "still had a few years in them" and could use a light amount of work on the shutters and other small parts needed. This was in me on-site and not completely taking apart the fixture on random inspection - only opening it up and looking as best I could see for what I know to look for. As an expert persay... I got screwed in not taking apart the fixtures. Also sort of screwed the broker that bought most of them; but that's a long story in how I wound up with the rest to store and sell off. This as with many of my bulk fixture deals often take six months or more to get done and by the end at best all parties are happy to just get it done no matter the final details.

Turns out the lights were stored in the orchestra pit a few too many years and most of the shutter assembly parts were rusted red. That and given steel pineapples and other lesser grade parts... they needed more work than expected. Worst hopefully I will see of them were a set of five I just finished working on which were rusted so bad that I could not extract the assembly short of soaking in liquid wrench. Problem was I was busy and it soaked in a few days until removed, than months until I had time to work on what was extracted. Those parts had to be dipped into solvent and cleaned by the trucking dpt. before clean enough to sand blast. Bad mistake for me in cleaning some of the parts before de-greasing/oiling - those clothes are trash. A good apron when using a right angle grinder is also a good idea as with the face shield and if doing rust the good breather - not just face mask.

In general, all the shutter assembly parts, and many other parts had to be sand blasted, than hand grinded with a silicone fiber wheel to polish, than re-coated with PTFE. A sand blaster paying someone to get done or investment in it is a good thing -- there is stuff you cannot do with a Dremmel tool as well or as cost efficient. In man-hours for those five so far the worst... could have easily bought a new 360Q fixture for the time needed to bring back to factory spec. on a normal man/hour figure - for my time in getting paid a little more than normal man/hours.... Unfortunately given this was not directly related to a 501c3 donation I cant even get a tax letter for the man/hours I spent.

For other and on average normal fixtures in used condition... if of more normal "used" condition, expect to re-paint which takes a little work in removing bad paint, a total resurfacing of all bright work like the shutters, than lube of them and the lens train, replacement socket & wiring, re-tapping or replacing all fasteners and fiber discs for the shutters, cleaning lenses is easy - wire wheel of the lens retaining ring a lot more difficult. Figure a "still serviceable" used Leko you buy will require if not immediately, at least six hours per fixture to bring back to full factory spec. at some point. You do want to have a factory spec Leko if you want to depend on it or not trash it in a few years.

Lots of details in a full tear down, but if you have the time and materials and tools to do so, it is worth it because you will now be able to get years out of the refab. Stuff like P-28s lamp sockets on a 6" Fresnel or Radial Leko, about 90% of the time they can get resurfaced and coated. G-9.5 Leko bases, normally need replacement.

Gear bought thru repretuable dealers or production companies will be from their show stock. Might ask in buying if from show stock or bone yard when buying. Back when there was a Bash, I bought some Leko's and they were fully factory spec. even if used, that's the way we and other lighting companies often do their used gear. Many don't and you get what you get in do plan on bringing them back or the still a few years left in them gear will get away from you in turning into too many problems to be dependable. In other words - large scale in what is considered "used" and it isn't always price based.
 
What kind of space do you have? How far is the lighting grid from the stage? If you have some handy folks around (and at least one electrician!), you could make some of these. With proper maintenance, they'll last for years! The lamp is a PAR38 aka Indoor/Outdoor floodlight (the one pictured has a 90W halogen lamp). The higher wattages are getting harder to find, but it's something to think about :)
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Though if a homebrew par such as that were to fail and burn the place down you'd be looking at lawsuits as it's not a UL listed fixture. Play the odds if you want, or spend the money and buy cheap pars for nearly the same cost.
30 seconds of google yields this par 38 @150 watts for $20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002GY89G/?tag=controlbooth-20

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That's a very valid point, Josh, and I second your recommendation to pick up some *real* PAR 38 fixtures since they can be had for so little. I don't know how much a PAR 38 fixture cost back in 1979 when I first got involved, the theatre was just barely underway and sometimes didn't have enough money to pay the utilities, but these were our alternative, and for years, the only lighting we had. I honestly couldn't tell you if the person who built them was a licensed electrician, but they were certainly knowledgeable enough in the field. Community theatres rarely have the funds to purchase the proper equipment, as much as I hate to admit. Sometimes they do what they have to do to get by. Does this mean safety should be sacrificed in lieu of cost savings? Absolutely not!! However, people, if they want their theatre to succeed, will do what it takes to make the show happen and make some money so that proper equipment can, eventually, be purchased. We would all love to have a 600 seat theatre with a huge stage, full fly system, orchestra pit, and paid staff, but you have to start somewhere... :)
 
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Here is a listing from before, http://www.controlbooth.com/threads/heads-up-for-purchase-in-a-few-weeks.32957/#post-289664, these items are still available and there is enought to do an entire theater (except for sound. ) We are looking to get something for these items but at this point they are taking up space and we need to get rid of it. So far it's $3,000 for EVERYTHING! We may be able to work something out if needed also. A flat bed trailer would be needed for pickup and we are located in Fremont OH.

Scrap steel is going for about $180/ton. Might be worth it, just have to do a little math. Copper is about $3 or so per pound.
 

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