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Interesting new fixture

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by BillESC, May 27, 2008.

  1. BillESC

    BillESC Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    I am impressed. I'd have to wonder how long the battery pack lasts (LED, probably a long while), and I definitely like the low profile it keeps without the pack. I'd look more into it on their website, but I'm too lazy. Still, looks intriguing.
     
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    Your apparently too lazy to watch the whole video too. 8 hours at full is what the video claims.

    As far as what I think well it's neat. I see potential in building wash and maybe even cyc light applications. What I'd like to see though is more control. Theres 288 LED's and a max of 26 control channels. Thats something like groups of 12. Sure that's fine for most applications but what if I want to have a stick figure run across it or something like that. The ability to pixel map and/or control all channels would take this from neat and potentially useful to frickin awesome, but would probably require some kind of attached brain or the programmer having to have one of the boards that will do it (vague memories of the GrandMA having that kind of ability...anyone?) and REALLY increase the price tag.... that being said I'm still a control hore and want the option.
     
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    Pixel maping is available in a number of panels from various manufacturers. I believe this fixtures primary design is for wall wash up lighting which is all the rage at weddings and corporate events at the moment.
     
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    Oh brave new world!
     
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    Exactly, pixel mapping would be silly on this fixture. If it has a color picker built into it so I could just set it and forget it an an event that would be amazing. I love all the possibilities to pop it in a place where you can't run cable!
     
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    Yes, you can set a color or select one of several internal chase sequences with spedified fate and rate times.
     
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    While RGB is great and all, I'd like to see Elation start putting amber LEDs in to more of their products. It would give them an edge in color mixing that other competitors aren't taking advantage of. But I do like the panel and strip formats alot better than parcan formats for LEDs at this point.

    However, I do really like the concept of a fixture that has NO wires running to it that can run for a whole night. This looks like a great product for companies that do alot of shows in tents for perimeter lighting. You could even light up the tent ceiling by putting a few of these things on tent poles. And if you had battery-powered wireless DMX, you'd be set if you wanted to have complete wireless control as well.
     
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    Infrared controller and receiver are included with each fixture.

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    Here's the spec's

    FEATURES
    • Ultra-bright color panel with 288 10mm LEDs (48 Red, 120 Green, & 120 Blue LEDs)
    • Includes rechargeable battery pack so the unit can operator remotely without being connected to electricity (use battery pack or AC cable for power)
    • Seamless RGB color mixing
    • Infinite color possibilities
    • 40º Beam Angle
    • Output Distance: 130-165 ft. (40-50 meters)
    • Long Life L.E.D. (rated at 100,000 Hours)
    • Low power consumption
    • Low heat emissions
    • Built-in Power Supply and DMX 512 Control
    • Flicker free operation for television and film
    LCD DMX Display with 4-button menu
    • ELAR WR Wireless Infrared Remote included

    CONTROL SPECIFICATIONS
    • USITT-DMX 512
    • 2, 3, 4, 7, 14, & 26 Channel operation modes
    • 3-pin XLR in/out

    CONTROL FEATURES
    • 5 Operational Modes: Programs Mode; Auto Run Mode; Sound Active Mode; DMX Control Mode; Master/Slave Mode
    • Control via DMX-512 or from ELAR WR easy-to-use wireless remote
    • 14 built-in programs
    Strobe effect (1-18 flashed per second)
    • Sound controlled via built-in microphone
    • 0-100% Dimming

    POWER SUPPLY
    • 90-260V AC, 50/60Hz (Multi-voltage)
    • On/Off Power switch
    • Includes: 12V power supply to charge battery
    • Includes: Infrared receiver with 1-meter cable
    Power Consumption: 36 watts
     
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    Elation should put Amber LED's in the mix. Chauvet often puts white LED's in a lot of their products, I wonder how well that helps.
     
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    I can get a better white out of RGB products than I can get an amber. Which is why I'd prefer amber to white. The white has the appearance of fairly high color temp, so the amber might be able to help with this.
     
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    Well, interesting, Elation is putting warm and cool LED's in their "white" LED offerings. I have yet to find out if the warm LED's are really warm white or just amber.
     
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    Elation now has an architechure line where you can practically pick the color temperature of the white you wish. Also in the family is Acclaim Lighting headed up by Eric Loeder (sp) which we've used in commercial installations with great success.
     
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    Elation is kicking some butt. How about the new Design LED 108? A 36x3w RGB light the size of the DLED36 with more then 3 times the output. Outdoor rated as well. There is also the Tri-Color LED Stage Par they just released, which is running 54w total.

    As for adding the amber and white LEDs, I really don't think they help that much. For color temperature control on RGB LEDs, I just play with the levels a bit. For example, I drop out some red for a more 5600k white, even more with a little green if I want more 6500k or higher. For 3200k, I drop out some blue and a little green.

    True, it lowers the total output of the light, but its giving me what I want with out a larger fixture, look at the size of the Impression vs Legend 6500 despite having the same number of LEDs :?:, more channels, and higher cost. It also isn't exactly those color temperatures, but it is better then nothing.
     
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    Somebody mentioned tossing these on a cyc; I don't know if I'd want to do that only because I think of how many fixtures you would need. I know the specs say it's a 40 degree beam angle, but when you look at it on the exterior walls it's very directional, and the hotspot is very narrowly focused. This isn't bad if you have the money for a ton of them, but I consider we use 5 skycyc's to light our cyc and they run 100degHoriz x 105degVert. That would mean you'd have to use about twice as many to cover the same spot. On the flip side they run 1500w/lamp. So in the long run, you may need more, but they'd be more flexible and save a ton of money on energy and lamps. The only thing is I wouldn't care for the battery feature in that case because I'd want them actually plugged in for the average theatre application for us.

    My experience with LED's from Color Kinetics is this though; low power, instantaneous response time, ease-of-color mixing, and no need to be concerned about buying more and more lamps. One of my most enlightening experiences using them for the first time was the immediate response time and color changing. No incandescent fixture can compete in simple response time.
     
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    I wouldn't be looking at these for cyc washes. I would look more towards the Design LED 36 Tri-Brick.

    With the tri-color LEDs, no color shadows. It is also very punchy with 36w of LED power, still has the 40 degree beam angle, and is cheaper then the Event Panel. I have been thinking about getting a bunch for a while now, just keep putting it off/forgetting about it. Rental cost wise, I can rent about 3 of these for the cost of one 3 cell Altman Ecno-cyc. Figure on about 4-8 Ecno-cycs per show, that means 12-24 DLED36 Tri-Bricks, which I think would be more then enough to keep up with the cycs at that point.
     

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