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    On 04/03/03, ship made the following post on Lamps for Stage Lighting Fixtures-Conventional and Automated. Rather that having it lost in the threads, I felt it should be given a position of more prominence here.-derekleffew
    ship writes:

    Since I'm here, I might offer any help I can give with questions on lamps. I'm kind of rated as an expert on the question of them in the professional world (might have glimpsed a part of that in an earlier posting.)
    My current function at work is to fix gear, train people in wiring stuff and lighting in general and to buy equipment especially lamps. (Before that, I was a Master Carpenter, TD and a Rigger.) I average buying about $1,000.00 per day in lamp purchases of all types and that's conservitave. I'm also writing a book on lamps and the differences between not only types but brands of them, along the lines of the Photometrics Handbook in usefulness - (kind of a Bible for the lighting design profession.)
    Anyone who has interests or questions might post here about them. I don't sell them to people, just advise on them. Good thing to learn about if lighting is your desired prosession much less about general lamps.
    Here is a extremly small example on HPL lamps on the market of my far in the future's book appendix: (Note the last number is for hours in life.) I use such a table (and it looks much better in table format,) at work every day in choosing what's the best lamp for a fixture or what other versions are available.


    HPL375/115 Osram/Sylvania #54625 - CL, Quartz - 375W/115V - T-6 - LCL 60.3mm - G9.5*HS - Any Burn Pos. 2,950°K - 10,540 Lum - 300 hours
    HPL375/115 Ushio #1000666 CL, Quartz (JS115V-375W C) Low Seal Temp. 375W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 10,540 Lum 300 hours
    HPL375/115 Halco CL, Quartz 375W]/115V T-6 G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,200°K 10,540 Lum 300 hours
    HPL375/115X Osram/Sylvania #54649 CL, Quartz, Extra Life 375W/115V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 2,950°K 8,000 Lum 1,000 hours
    HPL375/115X Ushio #1000667 CL, Quartz(JS115V-375W X) Low Seal Temp. 375W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS = Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,050°K 8,000 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL375/115X Halco CL, Quartz 375W/115V T-6 G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,000°K 8,060 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL375/230X+ Ushio #1003182 (JS230V-375WXN) CL, Quartz Extended Life 375W/230V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Low Seal Temp. 3,000°K 7,250 Lum 1,000 hours
    HPL375/240X+ Ushio #1003183 (JS240V-375WXN) CL, Quartz Extended Life 375W/240V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Low Seal Temp. 3,000°K 7,250 Lum 1,000 hours
    HPL550T6/64 Osram/Sylvania #54813 CL, Quartz 550W/64v T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 14,600 Lum 300 hours
    HPL550T6/77[/color] Osram/Sylvania #54623 CL, Quartz 550W/77V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 16,170 Lum 300 hours
    HPL550/77+ Ushio #1000668 CL, Quartz(JS 77V-550W C) Low Seal Temp. 550W/77V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 16,170 Lum 300 hours
    HPL550T6/77X Osram/Sylvania #54604 CL, Quartz X-Life 550W/77V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 12,160 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL550/77X+ Ushio #1000669 CL, Quartz(JS 77V550W X) Low Seal Temp. 550W/77V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,050°K 12,160 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL550/77X Halco CL, Qaurtz 550W/77V T-6 G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,000°K 12,160 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575T6/95 Osram/Sylvania #54822 CL, Quartz 575W/95v T-6 LCL 60.5mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 16,600 Lum 300 hours
    #6989P/S Philips #924541930900 CL, Quartz (GLC type w. Remov. Heat Sink) 575W/100v T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,200°K 15,500 Lum 400 hours
    HPL575/C G.E. #92431 CL, Quartz (HRG) 575W/115V T-6 LCL 60.2mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,200°K 16,500 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575 G.E. #37129 (?disc.) (?Disc.)CL, Quartz, Single Coil. Square Filmt. 575W/115V T-6 9.5x6.8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,200°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575T6/115V Osram/Sylvania #54622 (#93725) CL, Quartz 575W/115V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575/115V+ Ushio #1000670 (JS115V-575WC) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575/115 Halco CL, Quartz 575W/115V T-6 G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,200°K 16,500 Lum 300 hours
    GLC*HS Halco CL, Qaurtz 575W/115V T-6 c-13D G9.5*HS 3,200°K 15,500 Lum 300 hours
    GLC+HS Philips #29429-8(518736) (#6989P/S) CL, Quartz (GLC w. Remov. Heat Sink) 575W/115V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS (c-13D) “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,200°K 15,500 Lum 400 hours
    HPL575/LL/C G.E. #92434 CL, Quartz Long Life (HRG) 575W/115V T-6 LCL 60.2mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,050°K 12,360 Lum 1,500 hours
    GLA+HS Philips #29430-6(518767) (#6992P/S) CL, Quartz (GLA w. Remov. Heat Sink) 575W/115V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS (c-13D) “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,100°K 13,500 Lum 1,500 hours
    GLA*HS Halco CL, Quartz 575W/115V T-6 c-13D G9.5*HS Base Down 3,100°K 13,500 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL575 LL G.E. #37815 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz, Long Life, S. Coil Sq.Filmt 575W/115V T-6 10.5x6.9 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,050°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575T6/115X Osram/Sylvania #54807 CL, Quartz, Extended Life 575W/115V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,065°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575/115+ Ushio #1000671 (JS115V-575WX) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,000°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575/115X Halco CL, Quartz 575W/115V T-6 G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,000°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575/Thorn G.E. #37533 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz 575W/120V T-6 G9.5*HS 3,200°K 16,500 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575/C(120V) G.E. #92433 CL, Quartz (HRG) 575W/120V T-6 LCL 60.2mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,200°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575 (120V) G.E. #37533 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz 575W/120V T-6 LCL 2.3/8" G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,200°K 16,500 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575 (120V) G.E. #37626 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz, Single Coil Square Filmt. 575W/120V T-18mm 9.5x6.8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,250°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-575120V+ Ushio #1000672 (JS120V-575WC) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/120V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575T6/120V Osram/Sylvania #54817 CL, Quartz 575W/120V T-6 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 16,520 Lum 300 hours
    HPL575/LL/C (120V) G.E. #92435 CL, Quartz Long Life (HRG) 575W/120V T-6 LCL 60.2mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,050°K 12,360 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL 575LL (120V) G.E. #37816 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz L. Life, S. Coil Sq. Filmt. 575W/120V T-18mm 10.5x6.9 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,050°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL-575/120X+ Ushio #1002283 (JS120V-575WX) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/120V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS 3,050°K 12,360 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL575(230V) G.E. #37128 CL, Quartz, Single Coil Hexagonal Filmt. 575W/230V T-18mm 10x9.5 LCL 2.3/8" G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) Any Burn 3,200°K 15,000 Lum 300 hours
    HPL 575LL (230V) G.E. #37817 (?disc.) CL, Quartz, Long Life S.Coil Hex Filmt 575W/230V T-18mm 12x9.5 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos 3,050°K 11,780 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL575W/230V Osram #54618 (#93728) CL, Quartz w. Heat Sink Base 575W/230V T-20mm LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (MOL 104mm) Universal Burn. Pos. 3,265°K 15,000 Lum 300 hours
    GKV*HS (230V) Philips #36374-7 (#6986P/S) CL, Quartz 575W/230V c-13D LCL 2.38" G9.5*HS 3,200°K 15,000 Lum 400 hours
    GLB*HS (230V) Philips #36375-4 (#6999P/S) CL, Quartz 575W/230V c-13D LCL 2.38" G9.5*HS 3,200°K 13,000 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL-575/230V+ Ushio #1000673 (JS230V-575WCN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/230V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) ?3,200°K 14,900 Lum ?400 hours
    HPL-575/230X+ Ushio #1002233 (JS230V-575WXN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/230V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,050°K 11,780 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL 575 (240V) G.E. #37131 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz, Single Coil Hex Filmt. 575W/240V T-18mm 10x9.5 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn Pos. 3,200°K 14,900 Lum 300 hours
    HPL 575LL (240V) G.E. #37818 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz, Long Life, S. Coil Hex Filmt. 575W/240V T-18mm 12x9.5 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,050°K 11,700 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL575/240 Osram/Sylvania #54619 CL, Quartz 575W/240V T-6 G9.5*HS 15,000 Lum 400 hours
    HPL-575/240V+ Ushio #1000674 (JS240V-575WCN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/240V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,200°K 14,900 Lum 400 hours
    HPL-575/240X+ Ushio #1002234 (JS240V-575WXN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 575W/240V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Sink Lamp Base) 3,050°K 11,780 Lum 1,500 hours
    #6986P/S (230V) Philips #924541844200 CL, Quartz (GKV type w. Remov. Heat Sink) 600W/230V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,200°K 15,500 Lum 400 hours
    #6991P/S (230V) Philips #924542044200 CL, Quartz (GLB type w. Remov. Heat Sink) 600W/230V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,100°K 13,000 Lum 1,500 hours
    GKV*HS (240V) Philips #924541845500 (#6986P/S) CL, Quartz (GKV w. Remov. Heat Sink) 600W/240V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,200°K 15,500 Lum 400 hours
    GLB*HS (240V) Philips #924542045500 (#6991P/S) CL, Quartz (GLB w. Remov. Heat Sink) 600W/240V T-20mm 13x8.5mm LCL 60.5mm G9.5+HS “Compact Source” (Shock Res.) 3,100°K 13,000 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL750T6/77V Osram/Sylvania #54825 CL, Quartz 750W/77V T-6 LCL 60.5mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 22,950 Lum 300 hours
    HPL 750 / 77V Ushio #1000676 CL, Quartz(JS 77V750W C) Low Seal Temp. 750W/77V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 22,950 Lum 300 hours
    HPL 750 G.E. #37823 (?disc.) (?Disc.) CL, Quartz, Single Coil Square Filmt. 750W/115V T-18mm 11.5x7.2 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,250°K 22,000 Lum 300 hours
    HPL750T6/115V Osram/Sylvania #54602 CL, Quartz 750W/115V T-6 LCL 60.5mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,265°K 21,000 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/115V+ Ushio #1000675 (JS115V-750WC) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 750W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS (*HS means Heat Sink Lamp Base) 3,250°K 21,900 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/115X+ Ushio #1003153 (JS115V-750WX) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 750W/115V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS 3,050°K 16,400 Lum 1,000 hours
    HPL750/C G.E. #92432 CL, Quartz 750W/120V T-6 LCL 60.2mm G9.5*HS Universal Burn 3,200°K 22,000 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/120V+ Ushio #1003144 (JS120V-750WC) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 750W/120V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS 3,250°K 21,900 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/120X+ Ushio #1003178 (JS120V-750WX) CL, Quartz Extended Life 750W/120V T-18.35mm 4-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Low Seal Temp. 3,050°K 16,400 Lum 2,000 hours
    HPL 750 (230V) G.E. #37824 (?disc.) CL, Quartz, Single Coil Hex Filmt. 750W/230V T-18mm 11.5x9.5 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,200°K 19,750 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/230V+ Ushio #1002289 (JS230V-750WCN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 750W/230V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS 3,200°K 19,750 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/230X+ Ushio #1003179 (JS230V-750WXN) CL, Quartz Extended Life 750W/230V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Low Seal Temp. 3,050°K 15,600 Lum 1,500 hours
    HPL 750 (240V) G.E. #37826 (?disc.) CL, Quartz, Single Coil Hex Filmt 750W/240V T-18mm 11.5x9.5 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Any Burn Pos. 3,200°K 19,750 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/240V+ Ushio #1003184 (JS240V-750WCN) CL, Quartz, Low Seal Temp. 750W/240V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS 3,200°K 19,750 Lum 300 hours
    HPL-750/240X+ Ushio #1003180 (JS240V-750WXN) CL, Quartz Extended Life 750W/240V T-18.35mm 6-C8 LCL 60.3mm G9.5*HS Low Seal Temp. 3,050°K 15,600 Lum 1,500 hours

    The best source on the market for doing lamp/fixtures combinations is the Photometrics Handbook 2nd ED. by Robert C. Mumm - Broadway Press c1997, ISBEN #0-911747-37-0. It gives the basic lamps that are normally used with the fixtures and gives the photometrics data for most of the lights on the market. It is crucial as a design tool to anyone designing lights that want to know what they are going to be doing at a given throw range.
    Here is what I have collected: (Note there are other combinations that can be done with fixtures but these are the recommended lamps for the fixtures, and they don't copy well to this format.)

    Fixture / Lamp Combinations:
    Altman Inkie 3"Fresn:35Q/CL/DC, 75Q/CL/DC, ESR, ETC/ESP 100G16½/29DC, 125G16½DC
    #65Q 6"Fresn: BTL, BTM, BTN, BTP, BFE, DNW
    #75Q 8"Fresn: BVT, BVV, BVW, CWZ
    #1KAF-MPF 6"Fresn: BTR, EEX, BTL, BTN, BTM, BTP
    7" #1000S-HM 5"Locat. Fresn: EGN, EGT, EGR
    7" #2000L 6"Locat. Fresn: CYV, CYX, CYZ, DCT, FKK (CP41), BWA
    10" #5000L 10"Locat. Fresn: DPY, CP29
    #360Q ERS: EHB, EHC, EHD, EHF, EHG, FLK, HP600, HX601, HX400, HX401
    4.5-1530Z-MT: EHD, EHC, EHB, EHG, EHF,
    1KL6-30 / 1KL6-2040Z: FEL, FLK, EHH, EHD, EHG, EHF, FEP, EHC, EHB, HP600, HX601
    Shakesphere: FLK, HX601, HX602, EHD, EHG, HP600
    Q-Light: EJG, FCL, FDN, FHM, FCZ, FCM, EMD, FDF, EHM, EHZ
    Micro Strip: FTB, FTC, FTD, FTE, FTF, FTH
    Mini Strip: EXT/C, EXZ, FPA, FPC, FPB, EYF/C, FPB, EYF/C, EYJ/C, EYC/C
    R40 (6"oc.) Strip Light: R-40
    520 (4.5"oc.)Strip: 60 - 100w. A-19 Incd.
    528 (6"oc.) Strip: 150 - 200w. A-23, 300M/IF
    537 (8"oc.) Strip: 300M/IF, 200PS/25
    600 (RSC 8"oc.) Strip: EHM, FCL
    Single Cell Cyc: FHM, EHZ, FDN, FCZ, EMD, FCM, FDF, EJG, FDB, FFW
    Ground Cyc Light: EHZ, EJG, FCL, FCM, FDN, FHM. FCZ
    Sky Cyc (8"oc.)(Far Cyc): FDB, FFT, FGV, FGT
    HMI Star Par: CDM150T6/830, CMH150TU/830, ARC150TU/830, HQI/SE150WDX, HIT150w/G12/UVS/3K, UHI-S150DW/A,
    NOTE: 940 Series High Color Temp Avbl.
    Star Par: HP600, FLK, HX601, HX400, HX401, EHD, EHC, EHB
    #160 14"Scoop: EGK, EGE, EGG, EGJ
    #161 16"Scoop: FCM, FCL, FDN, Q500T3, EMD, FHM, FCZ, EHZ
    #261 16"Scoop: BWF, 1500Q CL/48, BWG
    #155 18"Scoop: DKX, DSE, DKZ, 1000IF, 750IF, 500IF, Q2000 4/95, DSF
    100L Follow Spot: HMP575W/SE
    Comet Follow Spot: FLE
    Dyna/902 Follow Spot: DTJ, DPW
    Explorer Follow Spot: HMI 1200
    Marc 350/Orbiter Follow Spot: EZT
    Satellite Follow Spot: HMI 575
    Voyager Follow Spot: HTI 400
    ARRI Flex 3" Locat. Fresn: FKW(CP 81), FRB(CP 82)
    4" Locat. Fresn: FRK, FRG, FKW, FRE
    5" Locat. Fresn: EGT, EGR
    Black Hole: ENH
    CCT Lighting Moon Beam: FFT, FGV, FDB
    Centry Old 8"ERS: CYX or BVW, BVT/BVV, CWZ, DEB, DNT, BWA, DNV, DNY
    Old 6"ERS - Radial (Not 360 Series): EGE, EGJ, EGG, EGM, DNS, DNT, EGD, EGF, DEB
    Old 8" Fresn.: DWT, Q1000T3/CL, FEY, FER
    Old 6" Fresn.: BFE, DNW
    18" Scoop: 2M/PS52/34, 1500/IF, 1000/IF, 750/IF
    Clay Paky Golden Scan2 C11066: HMI 1200 W/GS
    Golden Scan2 C11067: HMI 575 W/GS
    Golden Scan3 C11068: HMI 575
    Golden Scan3 C11069: HMI 1200
    Golden Scan HPE C1150: HMI 1200 W/GS
    Stage Scan C11155: HMI 1200 W/GS
    Super Scan Zoom: HMI 1200 W/GS
    Coemar: Panorama Cyc 1800: (Old)MSI1800W
    Panorama Cyc Power: (New)MSD575, MSR 575/2
    CF7: MSR700SA
    CF 1200 Spot: MSR1200SA
    Digiscan: HMI575w/GS, MSI 575, MSP 575, AMHK-575/GS
    Super Cyc: MSD 1200, MSR1200, MSR1200/2
    Colortran Mini Ellipse: EHT, EVR, EHV, EVR, Q400 CL/MC, EYT, Q325 CL/MC, Q150 CL/M
    Zoom: FMR, FNA
    18"Scoop: BWF
    Far Cyc: FGT, FFT
    Cyber Scan: DI-12S
    Diversitronics 3000: #0439
    Ellipspin: ENH
    Emulator: XM150-13HS
    ETC Source Four: HPL
    Flower: Martin 150/2, HTI 150
    Micro Flower: DRA
    Microfower: AR5 / DL35
    Furmen: 7C7
    Gemini: EVD
    GoBot: ELC
    Goya: MSR1200HR, HMI1200W/SE, ?DPY
    HES AF-1000: AF-1000HO-1, AF-1000SO
    Color Pro: ENH / ELH
    Color Pro FX: MSD 250/2
    EC-1 / ES-1: MSR 575/2, MSD 575
    EC-2: MSD250/2
    Intellabeam: MSR700, MSR700/2
    Studio Beam PC: MSR 700SA
    Studio Color: MSR575, MSR575/2, MSD 575
    Studio 250: MSD 250/2
    Studio Spot: MSR575/2, MSD 575
    Cyberlight: MSR1200, MSR1200/2, HTI1200, MSD1200
    Emulator: Xenon XM150-13HS Short Arc Technobeam: MSD250/2
    Trackspot: QT8500, EVC/FGX (HLX),
    Turbo Cyber: MSR 1200SA
    X-Spot: MSR700SA
    Juno: 75Q/F/DC, ETB, ETF
    Kliegl Bros. Old 8" Fresn: DWT, FER, FEY
    3½” (RSC) ERS: EHR, EHP, FDA, FAD, Q150T4/CL
    Beam Projector: CWZ, BVT, BVV, BVW
    Lighting & Electronics 6"Fresn: BFE, DNW,
    Mini Spot: DYS
    Beam Projector: BFE, DNW
    14" Scoop: DKX, DSE, DSF
    Live Pro: MSR1200SA
    Little Light: Q-5
    Ludwig Pani, Plano Convex Spotlight: (CP 79), (CP 43)
    Beam Projector P1001: 1KW/24v, D39d, Mirror Domed
    Beam Projector P250: 250 W/24V, E27 Mirror Domed
    Beam Projector P500: 500 W/24V, E40 Mirror Domed
    Lycian 1207 Follow Spot: BWA
    1209 Follow Spot: HMI575GS
    1236 Follow Spot: FLE
    L1262/4 SuperArc 350 Follow Spot: EZT(MARC 350)
    1266/7 Follow Spot: HTI400W/24
    1271 Follow Spot: UMI1200, DMI1200, HMI1200
    1272 Follow Spot: MSR1200HR, HMI1200W/SE
    1275 Follow Spot: 1200HB Metal Halide
    1278 Follow Spot: MSR 2500
    1290 Follow Spot: Osram XBO-2000W/HS.OFR, Yumex YXL-20SC, ORC XM2000HS, Hanovia XH2000HS, LTI LTIX-2000w-HS
    1294 Follow Spot: LTI LTIX-2500w-HS, Osram XBO2500w/HS, Yumex YXL25SCFS
    3K 1294 Follow Spot: LTI LTIX-3000w-HS, Osram XBO3000w/HS.ofr, Yumex YXL-30SC
    1294 Super Arc Follow Spot: LTI LTIX-4500w-HS, Osram XBO4000w/HS, YXL40SC
    Martin Acrobat: Philips (50hr) & Osram (300hr) Q250w
    Adventurer: Quartz 12v/100w.
    CX-2: Osram ELC 250w. (50hr)
    Philips ELC 250w (300hr)
    Destroyer: Q250w. 300hr, 8,400 Lum.
    24 V/ 250 W M33 halogen lamp (P/ N 346007).
    Discovery: Quartz 12v/100w
    Fibersource QFX150: HQI-150w.
    Osram HQI-R 150 W discharge lamp
    Imagescan: MSD 200, MSD 250
    Juggler: 24v/250w. (300 or 50hr)
    Lynx: Quartz 12v/100w. 12V/100W EFP cold reflec-tor Halogen
    MAC250: MSD250/2, HSD250, MSD200
    MAC300: MSD250/2, HSD250, MSD200
    MAC500: MSR575/2, MSD575, HSR575
    MAC600: MSR575/2, MSD575, HSR575/2
    Mac 2000: HMI1200W/S
    Magic Moon: 12V/100W EFP cold reflec-tor
    Mini Star: EHJ, #64655, Philips #7748S
    Mini Mac Maestro: CDM
    Mini Mac Profile/Wash: HTI 152(Martin150/2), HTI 150 (Martin 150), CSS
    MX-1: Philips (300hr) or Osram(50hr) - 24v.250w
    MX-4: CDM, GE - Arcstream 150w.
    PAL 1200E: MSR 1200, HSR1200
    Punisher: Q250w. 300hr. 8,400 Lum.
    Raptor: 24v/250w. (300 or 50hr)
    Robocolor: MSD 200
    Robocolor II: ENH
    Robocolor III: HTI 152, HTI 150, GE: CSS 150
    Roboscan Pro 218, 400 & 518: MSD200
    Roboscan: Pro 518II: MSD250/2
    Roboscan 804 & 805: 150w. HLX
    Roboscan 812: HTI 152, CSS, HTI 150
    ?Roboscan: EFR / EZK / JCR
    Roboscan Pro 918: MSR575/2, MSD575
    Roboscan 1004: 250w. HLX
    Roboscan Pro 1220: MSR1200, MSR1200/2, HTI 1200
    RoboZap: ENH
    RoboZap 1200: MSR 1200
    Spinner / Wheeler: DRA
    Star Flash: Q300w 75hr./ 7,700Lum
    SynchroZap: MSD250/2, HSD250
    Voyager: Quartz 12v/100w., FGA(Disc.) (EFP, 64637, JCR12v-100wB/xx)
    MR-11: FTD, FTF/L, FTE, FTB, FTC, FTH
    MR-13: EXW
    MR-16: BAB, ENX, ESD ESX, EXN, EXT, EXZ, EYC, EYF
    EYJ, EZK, FPA, FPC, FPB, FRB, FRA, FMW
    EZY, EYS, EXN, EXK, FNV, ENH, EXX
    Mini Beam: MSR400
    Mole Richardson: Mole Light: FAY, FBJ, DXK, FCX, FCW
    (Thomas) Mole Light: DWE
    Ellipso: BWA
    Music Stand: 25T10, 25T10/IF, 40T10
    Omni System Light Fiber ( PSL): HQI-TS
    Omni Light: EHZ, FDN
    Pani Plano Convex: CP 79
    Optkinetics:Solar 250: EHJ, M33, A1/223
    Solar 575: Ba575w/SE, MSR575/HR, HMI575w/SE
    Club Strobe Flower: QCA 48/22 Mol 5.1/2" wire
    Terra Strobe: QXA 430 ?400w.
    PAR 20: JDR/E26&E27, PAR 20
    Phoebus Mighty Arc II Follow Spot: HTI 400
    Phoebus Titan Follow Spot: HMI 1200 W/SE
    Pinspot: #4515
    Peacock: EVD
    Power Cat Fan: 40S11N/MV
    Pulsant: Martin 150/2, HTI 150
    Quasar: Martin 150/2, HTI 150
    Ray Light: DYS, JCD300, EKB
    Reich & Vogel Beam Projector: G-40 Silver Bowl 1Kw/24v. Radium 578K Mgl. PF - Wire Lead
    Ripple Machine: J-130, Q1000T3/CL, FEY, FER
    Solar 250: EHJ
    Solar 575: Ba575w/SE
    Star Strobe: SS-15
    Strand 3" Locat. Fresn: ESS, ETC, ESR, FEV
    Bambino 6" Locat. Fresn: CYX, CYV, CYZ
    Vega 14" Locat. Fresn: DTY, (CP83)
    Mini Zoom: EYJ, EXZ
    Beam Projector 4122: BTR, BTL, BTN
    Beam Projector 4125: BVW, BVT
    Beam Projector 13011(BeamLite 500):
    E40 Base, 500w., 24v.
    Beam Projector 13021 (BeamLite):
    K39d Base 1Kw/24v.
    Follow Spot: CSI
    String Light: C7CL4, 7C7W, 25GC/CD2
    Strong 575 Follow Spot: HMI575W/SE (Metal Halide)
    Super Trouper Follow Spot: HSR1200
    Super Trouperette Follow Spot: HTI 400
    Roadie Follow Spot: HTI 400w/SE
    Xenon Trouper: LTIX-700w-HS, XBO700w/HS.OFR, XH700HS, YXL7s
    1K Xenon Super Trouper: LTIX1000w-HS, XBO1000w/HS.ofr, XH1,000HS, XH1000HS
    1.6K Xenon Super Trouper: LTIX-1600w-HS, XBO1600w/HS, XH1600HS, YXL16S
    2K Xenon Super Trouper: LTIX-2000w-H, XBO2000w/H, XH2000ST, YXL20RFS
    Xenon Super Trouper II: LTIX-2000w-HS, XBO2000w/HS, XH2000STII, YXL20SCFS
    Xenon Gladiator II: LTIX-2500w/HS, XBO2500w/HS, XH2500HS, YXL25SCFS
    Xenon Gladiator III: LTIX-3000w-H, XBO3000w/H, XH3000HW, YXL30RFS
    Strong Xenotech Skytracker: 2K: LTIX-2000w-XS, XM2000PII, & LTIX2000w-XT, UXL-20SA
    4K: LTIX-4000w-XS, XM4000PII & LTIX-4000w-XT, UXL-40SA
    7K: LTIX-7000w-XS, XM7000PII, & LTIX-7000w-XT, UXL-70SA
    Times Square Mini Zoom: EYJ, EXZ
    Victory II Projector: QT8500, HLX
    VariLight VL2C: HTI 600 W/SE
    VL-4: HMI400W/SE
    VL-5Arc: MSR 575
    VL-5: Philips #71-2529 1.2KW, 1Kw (100, 120 & 230VAC)
    VL-5/5B: MSR 1200
    VL-6: MSR400SA
    VL-7: MSR700SA
    VL2201: MSR400SA
    VL2202/2402: MSR700SA
    Wildfire: ?CSS, ?MHL, ?MHM100&102, MT402, MV250
    How's that for a starting list? Lots of fixtures and lamp combinations out there and that's even before you get into differences between one brand and another such as the above HPL 375w/C from Osram and Ushio with the Osram version of it being dimmer.
    GLC lamps (these were made for the new Strand fixtures)
    That’s what Strand Claims
    in certain versions of the 360's for longer life,
    That would be the GLA for the long life
    and also was told that lamp selection for 360's is primarily based on the type of reflector version in the Altmans. ??? it’s the same basic G9.5 base with a 60.3 to 60.5mm LCL
    Only difference I have been told in the reflectors is that the "hammering" is smaller in the new ones vs the larger "square hammering" in the older reflectors. Can you confirm this is true or not,
    The new reflectors are rated for the lamps be it HX-600/FLK series or GLA series. Higher heat plus they are coated to allow the light to reflect forward and the heat to pass out the rear. In my experience, use what you have until it wears out. There are no adverse effects other than that. That said, there are some early lot numbers of the 360Q reflector with an opening that’s a bit small to be fitting a T-6 lamp in it. This could cause a problem.
    and that a different lamp should be used in different reflectors?
    That’s the Altman official company line due to liability. Trust me, there are no real differences in heat between a EHG and a FLK/GLA lamp.
    Is there a way to tell the different reflectors other then guessing by looking?
    Nope, you have to look at them.
    I have been using FLK's in some older 360's, and they tend to blow out after 100 hours(but they are cheapo FLK's)...and HX600's in 360's have been better but not by much.
    Same lamp. The HX600 is the Thorn/GE temporary designation of the lamp from when it was designed. The FLK is the ANSI lamp based upon the HX-600 design. It’s all in the brand. Wiko might be cheap if this is your lamp, but quality control can be a bit sketchy. Check your dimmer curve to ensure it’s giving a lamp warming power. Also you might set your dimmer curve down a little considering these are 115v lamps usually used over voltage. The FLK/HX-600 is also a very fragile lamp (High output/short life) if you switch to a HX-603 or GLA/HX-605 for long life, or HX-602 or GLC/HX-604 the 604 & 605 being Thorn’s designation of it, you should have shock resistant lamps, and lamps with better more hearty filaments. I recommend the Philips GLA lamps, they are the best for output and life with shock resistance.
    Trying to find a good lamp (to give a 1k output without using an FEL)
    Try the HX-754 or HX-755 new from Thorn. They are only available from Nelson Lamps and all the data is not available for them yet - my personal little war with GE, but I expect they have the exact same performance as a HPL 750w/C lamp from GE which is 5,500 Lumens less output from 2,7500 Lumens on a FEL. L.E. Nelson Sales Corp (702)367-3656 Nelson doesn’t have a website... By the way, the BWN is more powerful yet than a FEL You could also go with a Ushio HX-800 lamp. It has the same 22,000 Lumens in output, and is the same lamp for all intents and purposes.
    but with the reflector topic no in my mind, I'm not sure which way to go. In the past I have always used FEL's etc,
    Altman 360Q fixtures are not rated for FEL lamps, only the Zooms. If you have not had a problem with reflectors using the 1Kw lamps, you won’t with anything below.

    Let’s talk lamp bases. That should be your real worry. The original lamp base Altman #58-0017 as well as #58-0018 the high temp one with a heat sink are discontinued. They don’t work well with high wattage lamps much less the dichroic lamps anyway. That does not mean you need to change lamp bases, like with the reflector and gate reflector assemblies, they are prone to wear out quicker but use them until they do. Than buy the Altman #97-1580 lamp base. It’s much improved. Otherwise, Ushio sells the C3A lamp base. Many people swear by this lamp base, and for all intensive purposes, it is the same, just not recognized by Altman or any known testing company for say a UL certification.
    but the HX and FLK's are brighter, and use less power in a dimmer, and these 360's need the help cause the output of some of them is horrible no matter how much you bench or clean.
    Check the lenses, are they green or blue?
    Suggestions for figureing out the best lamp? These vary in age from 5- 10+ year old Altmans, and all have the new speedcaps. I'm also thinking the cap is part to blame for some of the poor output..but thats another topic<g>.
    Explain please, I’m not aware of such a complaint.
    Altman fixtures, I know them so well. I have exact notes on this whole subject in depth if you would like, including data passed along from the engineers at Altman. By the way, I was one of the first people in the US to have a HX-600 lamp. Robert Altman personally sent it to me following a phone conversation with him - me a young college having written a nasty letter of complaint after I did not get some parts in time for a show. Long story. Very cool lamp and I was impressed. Still use them in my Altman 3.5Q5 fixtures.
    Second question--is more of a "myth" question.. The HPL575's used in S-4's that are listed at 115v, is it true that to get the output(lumens), the lamps are deliberately made at strictly 115v (instead of 120v) to overtax them when run at 120v, for extra brightness?
    Yes it’s true that most of the high output lamps are designed to operate over voltage. You can get 120v versions of these lamps especially in the HPL series, but yuck - it’s brown. Think about voltage loss from the dimmers and voltage drop to the fixture. Meter your fixture and see what your actual power is. It’s probably going to be in the range of 117v. Now consider this data: Volts - A measurement of the electromotive force in an electrical circuit or device expressed in volts. Voltage can be thought of as being analogous to the pressure in a waterline. The effect of voltage on a lamp will cause a significant change in lamp performance. For any particular lamp, light output varies by a factor of 3.6 times and life varies inversely by a factor of 12 times any percentage variation in supply. For every 1% change in supply voltage light output will rise by 3.6% and lamp life will be reduced by 12%. This applies to both DC and AC current. Most standard line voltage lamps are offered at 130v. Since most line voltage power is applied at 120volts, the result is a slight under voltaging of the filament. The effect of this is substantially enhanced lifehours, protection from voltage spikes and energy cost savings.
    Voltage and Light Output: The effect of voltage on the light output of a lamp is ±1% voltage over the rated amount stamped on the lamp, gives 3.1/2% more light or Lumens output but decreases the life by 73% and vise a versa.
    Do not operate quartz Projection lamps at over 110% of their design voltage as rupture might occur. GE Projection, Ibid p.13
    It also has an effect on color temperature, just have not logged it into my notes yet. Basically, as the voltage goes up, color temperature follows to a small percentage. Thus in addition to the higher starting color temperature of dichroic halogen/xenon lamps, they operate at an even higher appairent brightness or more blue light than a normal halogen lamp.
    Just curious...always interested in another opinion that could be helpful.
    If it were not for the fact that I'm constantly building upon my notes and adding lamp data, I would say the notes might be interesting. Very long but interesting to post in full. Really long. Anyway does this help? More questions?

    Interesting, the speed cap.
    Never seen one, but in your analysis you say putting the old cap on solved the problem. To me that says as you theorize that the seat on the new cap is too high. I'm not aware of a shorter LCL lamp available for the fixtures so that means either they are seriously out of adjstment based upon the three screw lamp bases when they go out of bench focus, or there is something odd going on here. I would say call Altman, ask for Jay if possible, he is one of the "good guys" there. Altman Lighting, Co., Inc.
    Explain your problem and the putting on of the old lamp base solve and see what he says. Than post it because I'm curious.
    Wonder if it's possible you have Shakesphere caps on the fixtures and given a new design they don't sit in the same place for a good bench focus. That would certainly explain the problem though I have not played with the new Altman fixture to know for sure.
    Send me a E-picture of the lamp base otherwise, I'll look it up on my parts disk or catalog from them and verify it. Otherwise, what would even be easier yet is if you went to the website and looked at their parts manuals for the fixtures and compared your base to that of the Shakesphere. What they have available on-line is very complete.
    Might be able to find the proper lamp bases on E-Bay or another resale website either by someone selling them or you posting a request. Could be cheap enough.
    I clicked onto page 45 of the parts manual disk and it shows the Speed cap. Interesting... Never seen one before or remember noting it.
    Fairly basic, most likely, they are out of bench focus.
    I might suggest taking all fixtures down for a cleaning before next show, and while doing so bench focusing them to their proper settings. Probably about time anyway. Though you seem to know what you are doing with caring for them.
    How does the beam look in spot focus? Is the ring balanced? Since there does not seem to be a height adjustment, other than verifying the lamps are fully seated, not much that should throw off the seat height.
    The contact at Altman is Jay Perez to be more specific. Good guy, one that will track down answers for you.
    As for the lamps arcing and not holding well, that's wear and a good indication of a need to replace the lamp base. Are the lamp bases aluminum with large heat sinks? They have been known to have problems and are replaced by ones that are more porcelain at the base. A new base is about $15.00 so you would have to budget accordingly.
    How does the product you use for a deoxidant hold up to the heat? I have been testing such products for the last year or two and have my own that seems to work well but am still interested. If the de-oxident you are using doesn't hold up to the heat, it could increase the problems even more.
    By the way, if you put a new lamp into an arched lamp base, all it's going to do is destroy the new lamp's base especially if your de-oxident is not preforming it's job. Same goes with a set of bad lamp pins destroying a good lamp base. Loose pins in a base will also cause arcing.
    After the lamp base issues and bench focus, not much I can say. Shouldn't be problems otherwise. Loose the green lenses, that cuts down on light output.
    Interested to hear more.
     
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