Design Best gels for skin tones

Didn't mean to bash Cinemoid, RonHebbard, back in the day it and Cinabex were the only plastic media there were. (Have any of you youngsters ever worked with real GEL? It was gelatin film, just like jello, w/coloring. (God help you outdoors in the dew!) And on any instrument bigger than a 400w. P.C. you had to replace it every other day if you wanted the same color you started with. )

It's been a long time but I'll take a shot at the OP's question. I'm going from memory on this as I sent all my gel books to a fellow (found on CB) who was working on a color history project or some such. As I was a Cinabex user, I'll give you Cinabex numbers. The colors are pretty close to Cinemoid and they use the same numbers. When possible I liked to use 6 instrumets on each area; a pair of fronts, a pair of sides in deeper colors and a pair of high backs to put a little rim on people. (Got that one from Jean Rosenthal.)
For a cool look: areas: W=36, C=faded 17. Sides W=14, C=16. Backs: W=51, C=17.
For a warm look: areas: W= 3, 51, 52 or 54, C=36. Sides: W=48, C=15. Backs: W=faded 7, C=17.
Of course, check the look on the costumes & scenery.
@JonCarter Definitely worked with Cinemoid. NEVER heard or read of Cinabex. Definitely worked with real gel. Recall it arriving packed with a layer of tissue paper separating every sheet to prevent sticking and transference of colors. Remember occasionally receiving an order rolled rather than flat and packaged in a cardboard tube usually with a couple of inches sticking out either end. Recalling the problems if / when either or both ends got wet. In my area and time, it was often sent by mail and delivered to your door by your normal mail delivery person. On a rainy day you watched like a hawk for the delivery of your mail, prayed it had been kept dry and opened the door with your hands at the ready before the delivery person sat it in the puddle on your porch. Opening a roll with one or both ends wet was a BIG problem as the ends of multiple sheets were often fused together and extreme care was required to separate sheets without ripping. Quality tours would commonly re-gel between performances on matinee days and re-gelling at the end of an evening performance in prep' for the next day was common rather than bringing an entire crew in an hour prior to doors. You'd often load two frames of the same color in your carbon Supertrouper with the road spot op' telling you when to start using the second matching frame. If all six different colors were needed on a given performance, you'd often have extra frames gelled and at the ready to be swapped into your lamp. Changing back light gels at intermission was commonplace.
Think back @JonCarter to the days of travelling water follies shows touring by rail car(s) carrying their own deep pool and high-diving towers. In my area they toured through every second or third year and played outdoors in our football stadium. Gelling your arc Supers atop a scaffold during a light drizzle expected to end by, or shortly after, show time, managing to keep your gels dry while loading them into your lamp then hanging your jacket over your boomerang and facing your lamp out of the wind in order to have some hope of having colors by the time they were needed. The Supers were usually running the less efficient, but much more durable in case of rain, polished metal reflectors as opposed to the optically superior silvered Pyrex glass reflectors. Only once did I have a silvered glass reflector shatter when a drop of rain managed to find its way in mid cue with the arc running and following. I'm remembering one sharp crack like a small caliber gun shot followed immediately by the reflector hitting the bottom of the lamp house in three pieces. Light out the front, of course, was gone in less than a second.
Different times @JonCarter different times.
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Definitely worked with Cinemoid. NEVER heard or read of Cinabex. Definitely worked with real gel. Recall it arriving packed with a layer of tissue paper separating every sheet to prevent sticking and transference of color . . ..
Ron, thanks for the laughs--haven't thought much about the "fun" of living with "real" gel in a long time. Cinabex was(is?) an acetate media much like Cinemoid. I think it was British; as I remember the swatch books were labeled "Colour Chart." In the '50s & '60s Cinemoid was sold in the US by Kliegl and Cinabex by Paramount Cosmetics in NY.
 
Ron, thanks for the laughs--haven't thought much about the "fun" of living with "real" gel in a long time. Cinabex was(is?) an acetate media much like Cinemoid. I think it was British; as I remember the swatch books were labeled "Colour Chart." In the '50s & '60s Cinemoid was sold in the US by Kliegl and Cinabex by Paramount Cosmetics in NY.
@JonCarter I've still zero recollection of Cinabex but I am recalling DHA [David Hersey Associates] which I think was thrust upon me by my local Lee representative when I ordered my mandatory Lee 201 and 202 that everyone just HAD to try when Les Miz first hit North America. I'm also barely recollecting Furse or Ferse which I think was also being promoted by my local Lee supplier though I don't believe I've ever actually set eyes or hands on any. When you mentioned Brigham, I may have read an ad' for it in Theatre Crafts but I can't remember anyone ever talking about it up here on my side of the line nor have I ever knowingly touched or seen it.
Thanks again for the memories @JonCarter
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Ron, Dave Hersey and I attended Oberlin College at the same time--1950s-'60s. I don't remember any lighting he did there and only knew him slightly and I never worked with him. Also at Oberlin at the time was Paul Marantz (now @ Fisher-Marantz-Stone), who I worked with on a number of shows both in school and later in Cleveland.
 
but I am recalling DHA [David Hersey Associates] which I think was thrust upon me by my local Lee representative when I ordered my mandatory Lee 201 and 202 that everyone just HAD to try when Les Miz first hit North America.
I'm sure there were earlier instances, but the first time I can recall is an article in either Theatre Crafts or Lighting Dimensions about Bev Emmons using a plotful of L201 on Broadway for Mummenschanz in 1986. https://www.controlbooth.com/thread...-and-what-does-it-cost.5779/page-3#post-78836
I've also heard it's mandatory for Yale lighting designers.
 

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