# Cyc lighting...what to choose?

#### flyweed

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Hey all, so we are also upgrading our CYC lighting...getting rid of our old 1000 watt strips, and want to go with an LED unit. Our Cyc is 17ft tall and 40ft wide. We were thinking the Spectra Cyc units, BUT..I just wanted to get some opinions on here, what do you guys like, and what is a unit that gives most "Bang for your buck" so to speak. I don't want to spend a TON of money, if a cheaper unit can do the same thing. I don't necessarily need to pay for a "name"

Thanks

#### robmerow

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Colorsource cyc is a solid choice. They have an app to calculate coverage with different budgets.

#### Colin

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Hey all, so we are also upgrading our CYC lighting...getting rid of our old 1000 watt strips, and want to go with an LED unit. Our Cyc is 17ft tall and 40ft wide. We were thinking the Spectra Cyc units, BUT..I just wanted to get some opinions on here, what do you guys like, and what is a unit that gives most "Bang for your buck" so to speak. I don't want to spend a TON of money, if a cheaper unit can do the same thing. I don't necessarily need to pay for a "name"

Thanks
Especially at that short a height the ColorSource Cyc is worth a look. I chose it over Spectra after a side by side for what to me is a considerably better color gamut in naturalistic ranges - the two blues are important. Spectra can beat the ETC in output, and the color is very good, but "looks like LED" in ways I'd sometimes like to avoid.

#### Jay Ashworth

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We've just installed Philips Showline SL BAR 660's, and so far, they're pretty impressive, especially since our cyc is only 1 ft downstage of our batten.

18 cells, 2 pixels each, RGBW, and you can address them as (IIRC) 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, or all 18 pixels at a time, in different modes.

#### RonHebbard

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We've just installed Philips Showline SL BAR 660's, and so far, they're pretty impressive, especially since our cyc is only 1 ft downstage of our batten.

18 cells, 2 pixels each, RGBW, and you can address them as (IIRC) 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, or all 18 pixels at a time, in different modes.
@Jay Ashworth Quoting you: "our cyc is only 1 ft downstage of our batten." If I'm reading you correctly, you're backlighting your cyc??
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#### Jay Ashworth

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Sorry; "one foot upstage of our cyc light batten"; we front light it from the top, and back light it at the bottom.

#### RonHebbard

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Sorry; "one foot upstage of our cyc light batten"; we front light it from the top, and back light it at the bottom.
@Jay Ashworth Your cyc' is one foot up stage of your cyc' lighting batten / Your cyc' lighting batten is one foot downstage of your cyc'. Two sides of the same coin; I think we've communicated. In a moment someone's going to post explaining cyc' is an abbreviation of cyclorama which in reality is a rigid curved structure and we're both speaking of a sky cloth or whatever. I can feel the abbreviated terminology police preparing to POUNCE!
Toodleoo!
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#### SteveB

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@Jay Ashworth Your cyc' is one foot up stage of your cyc' lighting batten / Your cyc' lighting batten is one foot downstage of your cyc'. Two sides of the same coin; I think we've communicated. In a moment someone's going to post explaining cyc' is an abbreviation of cyclorama which in reality is a rigid curved structure and we're both speaking of a sky cloth or whatever. I can feel the abbreviated terminology police preparing to POUNCE!
Toodleoo!
Ron Hebbard
I guess technically correct, but as we’ve been calling that straight sky cloth a cyc for decades, maybe we’ll keep calling it a cyc. Isn’t the “Plaster Line” actually a “Piaster Line” or some such ?

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#### John Scrip

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We have a 20x40 (visible) with 7 of the ETC ColorSource Cyc units. I can light it "nicely" with 3. Could very easily get away with 5. But color chases and rainbows with 7 are pretty sweet.

RonHebbard

#### gafftaper

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It's hard to beat the Chauvet Ovation Batten lights when it comes to bang for the buck. See my posts about them here However at that height, I think ETC ColorSource might be a good fit.

RonHebbard

#### Jay Ashworth

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@Jay Ashworth Your cyc' is one foot up stage of your cyc' lighting batten / Your cyc' lighting batten is one foot downstage of your cyc'. Two sides of the same coin; I think we've communicated. In a moment someone's going to post explaining cyc' is an abbreviation of cyclorama which in reality is a rigid curved structure and we're both speaking of a sky cloth or whatever. I can feel the abbreviated terminology police preparing to POUNCE!
My top cyclorama striplight is one foot downstage of my white cyclorama curtain. My bottom cyclorama striplight is upstage of my white cyclorama curtain.

#### gafftaper

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Whatever you do, don't spend that much money without getting a demo. Your local dealer that you normally deal with should be able to arrange it for you. If not reply here and we will find help for you.

RonHebbard

#### AidyJ

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Whatever you do, don't spend that much money without getting a demo.
I couldn't agree with this more.

I've been in a venue this week with PL-1 cyc floods, they're good, the colours are acceptable and they're fairly bright.

#### Jay Ashworth

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And, by "get a demo", we mean "hang at least 10 feet of it on your actual batten, and see how it looks on your curtain".

#### DavidJones

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I couldn't agree with this more.

I've been in a venue this week with PL-1 cyc floods, they're good, the colours are acceptable and they're fairly bright.
I used to have these. They did a very smooth wash, but are not very bright, and you need a lot of them. Pretty much every other fixture mentioned here is better. (though I have never actually seen an Altman LED fixture in my life that I am aware of.)

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How are the Colorsource Cycs with just a top-row? We've got a 20' cyc, but trim is usually set between 17-18'. Did a rental with Elation Color Chorus fixtures, 7 across with a ground row and it was breathtakingly bright. Easily outperformed our Altman SkyCycs. I'm looking at a grant proposal and I'm torn between the Chauvet Ovation battens (which appear comparable to the Elations) and the CSCycs. The Color Chorus is discontinued and the newer Elation 7 would be out of the price point we're shooting for. We'd need 7 Ovations and according to the math on the ETC Calculator we could do it with 6 CSCycs. I'm concerned about the bottom 25% of the cyc though with the CSCycs. Our SkyCycs tend to lose punch in that range as it is. Probably going to get quotes for both, but was wondering if anyone was happy with the CSCyc on the top row only.

Our electric is 92" DS the cyc, but I've got spares I could use to that end, realistically a distance of around 2.5-3'.

RonHebbard

#### Colin

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How are the Colorsource Cycs with just a top-row? We've got a 20' cyc, but trim is usually set between 17-18'. Did a rental with Elation Color Chorus fixtures, 7 across with a ground row and it was breathtakingly bright. Easily outperformed our Altman SkyCycs. I'm looking at a grant proposal and I'm torn between the Chauvet Ovation battens (which appear comparable to the Elations) and the CSCycs. The Color Chorus is discontinued and the newer Elation 7 would be out of the price point we're shooting for. We'd need 7 Ovations and according to the math on the ETC Calculator we could do it with 6 CSCycs. I'm concerned about the bottom 25% of the cyc though with the CSCycs. Our SkyCycs tend to lose punch in that range as it is. Probably going to get quotes for both, but was wondering if anyone was happy with the CSCyc on the top row only.

Our electric is 92" DS the cyc, but I've got spares I could use to that end, realistically a distance of around 2.5-3'.
I wouldn't personally find that trim problematic. 20' and up definitely begins to be a stretch, but depends on your needs/standards. In rep I have six lighting a 32' width at 20' trim, 30" back. That's not ideal for coverage but adequate for "general programming" between theatre and dance productions. I've sometimes raised that trim to 22' with a ground row, and I've moved them to more like 5' downstage from the cyc which of course considerably evens out coverage with no ground row. They'll blow away your Sky Cycs no matter what - I think the vertical reach is comparable but the better output makes a difference. It's a lot of money to spend without a demo in your space to make sure you'll be happy...

I keep saying to anyone who will listen, other than spending a ton of money for Lustrs with cyc adapters, I think the ColorSource Cyc color gamut is hands down the best you can get because of the two blues (comparing to Spectra, and the Elation, Chauvet and ChromaQ strips). Not the brightest, but if you value really granular color control particularly for naturalistic sky tones then they're very, very good. Good enough that to me it is worth a little compromise on vertical coverage. Personal taste.