In this case OP was talking about purchasing new s4s with the intent of putting 4rdws in them.Can Chauvet's touch the $695 retrofit cost, and ease of retrofit? This is aimed at a HS market after all, with pretty good mains dimming.
In this case OP was talking about purchasing new s4s with the intent of putting 4rdws in them.Can Chauvet's touch the $695 retrofit cost, and ease of retrofit? This is aimed at a HS market after all, with pretty good mains dimming.
Can Chauvet's touch the $695 retrofit cost, and ease of retrofit? This is aimed at a HS market after all, with pretty good mains dimming.
Yes, I believe from the information presented, that the OP has NO FIXTURE at this point. Buying a new retrofit to put into a 20 year old fixture seems to me, like the worst option.In this case OP was talking about purchasing new s4s with the intent of putting 4rdws in them.
Correct. I was speaking of LED and white LEDs in general, as I believe others were.In this case OP was talking about purchasing new s4s with the intent of putting 4rdws in them.
So S4 LED are @$2500. Colorsource @$1300.
What if I purchased a used S4 incandescent (@$300) and a new Source 4WRD retro fit at @$600.
So now I have an LED Source 4 with a brand new light engine for $900.
Crazy idea?
Actually PIE, in rereading this thread, the OP was talking about purchasing USED, not new, S4s, and the $WRD (lower CRI) retrofit lamp house. May not change anything.In this case OP was talking about purchasing new s4s with the intent of putting 4rdws in them.
I can agree with this.Yes, I believe from the information presented, that the OP has NO FIXTURE at this point. Buying a new retrofit to put into a 20 year old fixture seems to me, like the worst option.
A used source4 plus a forward, is going be be almost $1000, a brand new E-160ww is $1000 with your choice of HD Lens, these lenses are MUCH better than the old S4 lenses.
-Etc basically says, It works on mains dimming but not really well, and recommends using DMX(8-bit), but there are not DMX jacks! You have to use an rj45 adapter, add that to your shopping list.
-If you do use it on dimmers, you can only put two on a D20 module.
-Only runs on 120v
-80 CRI, or pay $50 more to get 90 CRI
-You still have a glass reflector.
-you still have to bench focus the lamp
-WONT WORK WHEN COLD. I can't make this stuff up. ETC warns many times throughout their manual that using it or storing it under 41 degrees F. Will damage the fixture.
With the Ovation you get:
-120-240v operation
-Smooth 16 bit Dimming
-90 cri
-Powercon and 5-pin DMX connectors
-2 year parts and labor warranty
So would I say that the Chauvet can touch ETC? Nope, it destroys it.
Even in a High school theater, where you already have the fixtures and dimming, what are you gaining besides no lamp changes?
It would take 58 HPL Lamps to pay for a 4wrd, since the 4wrd is supposed to replace a long life lamp, that's 116,000 lamp hours. The 4wrd is only rated at 30,000 hrs.
yes, I'm not accounting for electricity use. Why? Lamps come out of the theater budget, electricity generally does not.
As far as keeping people off of ladders changing lamps, I guess that's almost a point, if it were not for changing gels and gobos.
I would even encourage many people to skip white LEDS all together and get color mixing units for a few hundred more, I'm not sure what fits the OP's need for sure, but in the example of a high school theater, the 4wrd is a lot of money spent the basically has ZERO net gain for the actual theater and its productions. Especially with how often money comes along in some departments, it seems much more useful to get a color mixing unit, even if you have to cut the fixture count in half, just being color mixing lets them be used as many more white fixtures with gels would be.
Good to hear. Ive looked at a bunch of the Strand Leds and they are super bright, just not as bright on paper as the 260WW and quite a bit more expensive.@DeadCheerios the 260WW will blow you away with output. Make sure to throw it in to 16 bit dimming mode and run a slow fade - it's truly impressive.
Thanks for your words of wisdom. If you make that trip I'll be glad to ferry you around the dam at I Falls. You'll have to portage your canoe through downtown I Falls otherwise!Just to follow up on the pricing, as of mid 2016, CS spot lists at $1495, S4 LED $2395, and 4WRD with barrel and yokd at $899 or $948 depending on CRI. The CS and SP are complete with clamp, cord and plug, diffuser, pattern holder. The 4WRD with barrel and clamp and bare ends on power cord is (or was at introductory prices) $899 or $949 depending on CRI. The lower prices are just the lamphouse, no barrel or yoke or shutter assembly. It seems dealers may not get the same discount on the 4WRD as the other products. They all need a lens - $175 or 295 depending on standard or EDLT. Its frustratingly difficult to tell how much these or others will discount, the best reason for a bid situation. I'd recommend you try to demo what seem like likely acceptable products, pick two or even three options for an entire package, and get competitive quotes from a few different dealers, detailed so you know that you have everything - cords, plugs, c-clamps, pattern holders, the lenses you want, other accessories, etc. and delivery - because I'm pretty sure the dealer won't be down the street in International Falls.
FWIW, I'd rarely recommend the 4WRD unless you are using it as a retrofit for bodies and lens tubes you already own, if that is the heart of your inquiry. Too many better options for only a little more.
PS: And now I definitely have to visit sometime. Bought a solo canoe Tuesday - up on the Gunflint Trail - so my Grand Portage to Lake of the Woods trek is seemingly closer.
What I find really amazing is the E-260WW IP version, it should get lots of sales to theme parks and other outdoor venues.@DeadCheerios the 260WW will blow you away with output. Make sure to throw it in to 16 bit dimming mode and run a slow fade - it's truly impressive.
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